[openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures)
Leo Gaspard <ietf@leo.gaspard.ninja> Fri, 18 May 2018 20:26 UTC
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Subject: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures)
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Hello, I have subscribed to this list only recently (late 2016), so please forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I couldn't find it in the ML archives. I also hope I didn't miss something fundamental while writing down this idea. As I understand it, currently, with OpenPGP, it is possible to simulate the Certificate Authority model: * The clients wishing to use it assign full trust to the root CAs * Root CAs use 255-trust trust signatures for subordinate CAs * Subordinate CAs sign the verified OpenPGP keys I think it would be great to also be able to simulate the DNSSEC model, so that as a client I would be able to say “I trust [this key] to make statements about [this set of keys].” I see it as, is in a way, a logical follow-up of Web Key Directory. As I understand it, RFC4880 already has a provision for such a model, with §5.2.3.14 _Regular Expression_. However, there is from my reading an issue with (the wording of) this section: it only restricts one-level trust signatures. In other words, from my reading, if: * User U trusts(255, r".*<.*@ca-a.com>") "A <root@ca-a.com>" * root@ca-a.com trusts(255, r".*<.*@example.org>") "B <b@ca-a.com>" * b@ca-a.com signs "C <c@example.org>" Then, from A's point of view: * root@ca-a.com has trust(255, r".*<.*@ca-a.com>") * b@ca-a.com has trust(254, r".*<.*@example.org>") * c@example.org is valid However, I don't think c@example.org should be valid, as user U only wanted to give permissions on r".*<.*@ca-a.com>" to root@ca-a.com. So I think all regular expressions in the trust chain should have to match in order to not be rejected -- in a similar fashion as the DNSSEC model. So the “wrong” line here would be b@ca-a.com's trust, which should be calculated as trust(254, r".*<.*@example.org>" AND r".*<.*@ca-a.com>")a.com>"). Another issue of this scheme, obviously, is that noone “in the wild” currently uses regular expression subpackets (that I know of). However, I hope this could change, were this change to allow creation of scoped CAs, that would interact nicely with WKD. For instance, a mail provider could set up such a “CA”, that would automatically sign all keys that would pass the WKD test, and for which the UID would be confirmed as valid by the internal database. Then, users could start trusting such mail-provider-provided CAs, for additional validation of the user ID (in addition to the localpart already “validated” by HTTPS), while still restricting them for only being valid for the domain(s) they own. For easy discovery, mail-provider-provided CAs could have a path at .well-known/openpgpkey/mail-provider-key, and the user could decide to add some trust to this CA. The aim of this proposal being to make OpenPGP easier to use by introducing ways to reduce the work required for setting up a secure channel, while leaving control over these to the user (or to the implementer, for opinionated implementations) What do you think about this? Cheers, Leo
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Wyllys Ingersoll
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizing Us… Marcus Brinkmann
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Marcus Brinkmann
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Jon Callas
- [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizing Us… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Derek Atkins
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Bill Frantz
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Wiktor Kwapisiewicz
- [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Neal H. Walfield
- [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizing Us… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Overhauling User IDs / Standardizin… Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Leo Gaspard
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Vincent Breitmoser
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Neal H. Walfield
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Jon Callas
- Re: [openpgp] Scoped trust (signatures) Christian Huitema