Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-14.txt

<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Wed, 24 January 2018 12:36 UTC

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Fair enough. Thank you.

Cheers,
Med

De : Eliot Lear [mailto:lear@cisco.com]
Envoyé : mercredi 24 janvier 2018 13:16
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN
Cc : Mahesh Jethanandani; opsawg@ietf.org; Mark Nottingham; Saswat Praharaj (saspraha)
Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-14.txt


Hi Med,

Please see below:

On 24.01.18 12:54, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote:



My understanding from draft-ietf-netmod-acl-model-14 is that acl-type remains acl-type.  acl-name became name.  But you're right- rule-name became name as well.  I will adjust the text accordingly.
[Med] I guess you meant -15. I confirm that acl-type is to be changed too. Below an excerpt of the acl tree structure:

     +--rw access-lists
        +--rw acl* [name]
        |  +--rw name    string
        |  +--rw type?   acl-type


* This sentence should be carefully updated as well: “With the exceptions of "name", "acl-type", "rule-name", and TCP and”.

* I guess the examples should be checked to align with the new ACL structure. For example,

 - “ipv6-acl” entries should be updated to “ipv6”.

You're right.  I stand corrected.  And I spotted the error in the example.  Will correct.


Which is the text I adjusted ;-)
[Med] Yes. I was referring to the examples.



 - add “l3” entry before “ipv4” and “ipv6”.

I think this is done in the normative text but you're right- it needs to be corrected in the examples.




* It would useful to add a justification why it is not recommended to support 'reject' action.

Ok, I'll add some text.


[Med] Thank you. BTW, wouldn’t you need a rate-limit action to “protect” against exhausting Thing resources?

I don't think that's appropriate at this point.  For one thing, it goes well beyond what many implementations can actually do.  For another, it may be asking a bit much of the manufacturers to predict this sort of behavior, and it will be easy to get wrong.  I would suggest this be handled later as we get some additional operational experience.

Eliot