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Re: [OPSAWG] Can we please adopt draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng?

"MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" <acm@research.att.com> Thu, 12 November 2020 23:00 UTC

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From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" <acm@research.att.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
CC: opsawg <opsawg@ietf.org>, Eliot Lear <lear=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [OPSAWG] Can we please adopt draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng?
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Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Can we please adopt draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E
> Carpenter
...
> tom petch wrote:
> > That is why i would like to see if there is a form of adopting this document under
> > specific premises / constraints for acceptable changes
> 
> [Suppressed scream.] That is *exactly* the semantic of an Independent
> Submission RFC.
> 
> Fine, if OPSAWG wants to waste its own time, and that of the IESG, and the
> whole IETF during Last Call, in debating editorial details of a document
> whose technical content cannot change, feel free to go ahead, but count me
> out of it; I'm sending the thread to /dev/null for now.
> 
>     Brian
> 
[acm]

I have a suggestion:  the pcapng work proposal goes forward as *two drafts*:

1. a draft intended as an Independent Submission RFC to describe pcapng/2010 *as-is*.

2. a proposal for a WG draft, to collect all the new/good ideas while (probably) maintaining backward compatibility with pcapng/2010 and the utilities that read/write it.

The WG helps prepare *both* drafts, but when 1. is deemed complete and accurate it heads off to the Independent Stream.

I have zero skin in this game, except that I capture packets whenever I need to...

Al

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