Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface Type
"Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" <zzhang@juniper.net> Tue, 29 March 2011 14:09 UTC
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From: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" <zzhang@juniper.net>
To: "Henderson, Thomas R" <thomas.r.henderson@boeing.com>, 'Acee Lindem' <acee.lindem@ericsson.com>, Nischal Sheth <nsheth@juniper.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:10:14 -0400
Thread-Topic: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface Type
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Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface Type
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Tom, Thanks for your comments. A summary of our offlline discussion to feedback to this list. > The above could all be separate interface types, and 2) and > 3) could each be supplemented by additional capabilities: > - optional radio-to-router control protocol to determine the > unequal neighbor costs or router priorities automatically This is outside of OSPF scope, and already going on. > - overhead reduction techniques such as differential hellos > or partial topology reporting. This is the true-MANET situation and Alvaro is following up you on that. Thanks. Jeffrey > -----Original Message----- > From: Henderson, Thomas R [mailto:thomas.r.henderson@boeing.com] > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:41 PM > To: 'Acee Lindem'; Nischal Sheth; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > Cc: ospf@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface Type > > I don't have a problem with the proposal to specify a simpler > interface type for the use cases described. It seems > preferable for a vendor to be able to say that it fully > implements a particular interface type rather than having to > say that it implements an interface type but lacking features > a,b,c etc. > > There are many radio systems that perform routing below IP > and provide a full broadcast-based abstraction, but for which > the neighbor costs are unequal and it would be nice to be > able to represent them that way in OSPF. Moreover, people > are now designing radio to router protocols to allow these > unequal costs to be dynamic and automatically computed. > > It might be nice to define broadcast-oriented interface types > progressively as follows: > > 1) existing broadcast interface for equal-cost neighbors > 2) the proposed hybrid interface for full mesh broadcast > links with unequal neighbor costs > 3) correct the DR election and flooding behavior for links > that may be partial mesh > > The above could all be separate interface types, and 2) and > 3) could each be supplemented by additional capabilities: > - optional radio-to-router control protocol to determine the > unequal neighbor costs or router priorities automatically > - overhead reduction techniques such as differential hellos > or partial topology reporting > > Tom >
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface T… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… pete
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Peter Psenak
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Peter Psenak
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Peter Psenak
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Anton Smirnov
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface T… Acee Lindem
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Anton Smirnov
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Nischal Sheth
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Nischal Sheth
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Acee Lindem
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Henderson, Thomas R
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Richard Ogier
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Richard Ogier
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Richard Ogier
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Lili Wang
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Richard Ogier
- Re: [OSPF] OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interfa… Lili Wang