Re: [Pce] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on charter-ietf-pce-07-04: (with COMMENT)

John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> Thu, 14 December 2023 16:10 UTC

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From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: [Pce] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on charter-ietf-pce-07-04: (with COMMENT)
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I went ahead and made these changes, they’re in version 07-05. Chairs, please take a look and let me know if you’re fine with this version. If so, the approval process is complete and I’ll notify the Secretariat.

Thanks,

—John

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> John,
>  
> You nailed it. With the suggest NEW text, I think that the PCE charter will be clearer
>  
> -éric
>  
> From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
> Date: Thursday, 14 December 2023 at 15:52
> To: Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>
> Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, pce-chairs@ietf.org <pce-chairs@ietf.org>, pce@ietf.org <pce@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Pce] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on charter-ietf-pce-07-04: (with COMMENT)
> 
> In line. Chairs and working group, please speak up quickly if you object to any of the changes proposed below.
> 
> > On Dec 14, 2023, at 5:19 AM, Éric Vyncke via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for
> > charter-ietf-pce-07-04: No Objection
> > 
> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
> > introductory paragraph, however.)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-pce/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!CAIavEX72YXvVwmh8J-0C0sbHmW9lfDb9qmxJz1gdBk0Vs4nMYBhhmF5LqUbWmgw9CrYES30gLk8$
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > COMMENT:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > After re-reading the proposed charter for the n+1 time, some more comments:
> > 
> > 1) the first paragraph would benefit by directly stating that it is about MPLS,
> > SR, BIER, Detnet... rather than adding a 2nd sentence "Further, the PCE WG ...."
> 
> Something like this?
> 
> OLD:
> The PCE Working Group is chartered to specify the required protocols 
> so as to enable a Path Computation Element (PCE)-based architecture
> for the computation of paths for MPLS and GMPLS Point to Point and 
> Point to Multi-point Traffic Engineered LSPs. Further, the PCE WG also
> handles protocol extensions for new path setup types of Segment
> Routing (SR), BIER, and Detnet.
> 
> NEW:
> The PCE Working Group is chartered to specify the required protocols 
> to enable a Path Computation Element (PCE)-based architecture
> for the computation of paths for MPLS and GMPLS Point to Point and 
> Point to Multi-point Traffic Engineered LSPs, as well as new path setup 
> types of Segment Routing (SR), BIER, and Detnet.
> 
> > 2) in the same vein, the 2nd paragraph is only about (G)MPLS with terms like
> > LSR and LSP.
> 
> As in,
> 
> OLD:
> In this architecture path computation does not necessarily occur on 
> the head-end (ingress) LSR, but on some other path computation entity
> that may not be physically located on each head-end LSR. The TEAS
> Working Group is responsible for defining and extending architectures
> for Traffic Engineering (TE) and it is expected that the PCE and TEAS
> WGs will work closely together on elements of TE architectures that
> utilize PCE.
> 
> NEW:
> In this architecture path computation does not necessarily occur on 
> the head-end (ingress) router, but on some other path computation entity
> that may not be physically located on each head-end router. The TEAS
> Working Group is responsible for defining and extending architectures
> for Traffic Engineering (TE) and it is expected that the PCE and TEAS
> WGs will work closely together on elements of TE architectures that
> utilize PCE.
> 
> > 3) in the last two bullets: what is the difference between "in cooperation" and
> > "in *close* cooperation" ?
> 
> One is closer than the other? ;-)
> 
> I think we can strike “close”.
> 
> > 4) as written in my previous review, it would be clearer if the work items are
> > directly qualified with 'standard tracks' or if 'specification' was used rather
> > than 'definition'
> 
> Essentially, s/Definition/Specification/ (4x), right? My bad on missing this.
> 
> Thanks for the additional review and helpful comments,
> 
> --John