Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - consensus?
<philip.eardley@bt.com> Tue, 04 March 2008 11:14 UTC
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Here are some replies to some comments that Joe sent me (Joe replied to a draft version I sent directly, but all the comments below still apply to the version I sent to list) (hope that's ok joe). Thanks phil -----Original Message----- From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of philip.eardley@bt.com Sent: 27 February 2008 11:02 To: pcn@ietf.org Subject: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - consensus? I think we have consensus on the admission marking behaviour. This is a first attempt to capture that in Stds language, is it any use? If an interface of the PCN-domain performs PCN Admission Marking then it performs three functions, which are outlined in draft-ietf-pcn-architecture as follows: o Packet classify - decide whether an incoming packet is a PCN- packet or not. Another PCN WG document will specify encoding, using the DSCP and/or ECN fields. o PCN-meter - measure the 'amount of PCN-traffic'. The measurement is made as an aggregate of all PCN-packets, and not per flow. o PCN-mark - algorithms determine whether to PCN-mark PCN-packets and what packet encoding is used (as specified in another PCN WG document). These functions are now described in more detail. Note: The PCN-node MAY implement these three functions on either its ingoing or outgoing interfaces. The same choice MUST be made for every PCN-node in one PCN-domain. [Joe] Suggest rewording "The same choice MUST be made for every PCN-node in one PCN-domain" to something like "The PCN-domain SHOULD be configured so that all links within the PCN-domain support the PCN function. The work MUST is to strong. I believe it is OK to have a node that does not support the PCN function as long as other nodes provide the PCN functions, i.e., a node may provide PCN-function on both ingoing and outgoing interfaces to compensate for a node that does not provide PCN function. My other issue is really a chart issue, if inside the PCN-domain an operator configures his network in such a way that there are links that can not be congested why would he need PCN-function on those links? [phil] the architecture draft says "However if it's known that an interface cannot become pre-congested then it's not strictly necessary for it to be capable of PCN-marking. But this must be known even in unusual circumstances, eg after the failure of some links. I suppose this makes it a SHOULD Classify function: If a packet's ECN/DSCP fields have the value PCN, as defined in [RFC-encoding], then it MUST be classified as a PCN-packet. If a packet's ECN/DSCP fields do not have the value PCN, as defined in [RFC-encoding], then it MUST NOT be classified as a PCN-packet. [Joe] I would suggest that the second line be reword to say that "all other packets are not PCN-packets". [PHIL] Actually this needs to be updated, since we may need to take account of [quoting arch draft]: There may be traffic that is more important than PCN, perhaps a particular application or an operator's control messages. A PCN- node may dedicate capacity to such traffic or priority schedule it over PCN. In the latter case its traffic needs to contribute to the PCN meters. Meter function: Note: The meter is described as a 'token bucket with threshold', however the implementation is not standardised. For example, it could equally well be implemented as a virtual queue (which operates with negative tokens). A packet classified as a PCN-packet MUST be metered as follows. [Joe] change MUST to MAY in above as this is only an example. [phil] disagree. If we make this a MAY it means the PCN standard doesn't require any particular marking behaviour!! The interface MUST have: [1] a configured bit rate, termed PCN-lower-rate [2] a meter for PCN-packets, which MUST have the following behaviour: [Joe] The above MUST can be changed to SHOULD. [phil] MUST seems right to me. a token bucket, which 1A tokens are added at the PCN-lower-rate, to a maximum TB.size 1B tokens are removed equal to the size of the PCN-packet, to a minimum TB.size=0 2 if TB.fill < TB.threshold, then the meter indicates "admission mark" to the Mark function [Joe] Need to add that TB.threshold MUST be configured to be less than maximum TB.size and grater than TB.size=0 [phil] ok, although I suppose 'equal to' is ok in both cases Note: Step 1A can be triggered by a packet and so can be done at the same time as Step 1B. Note: Step 2 can be performed before or after step 1 [Joe] The two notes are not needed. [phil] they were meant to make it clear that numbering doesn't imply must be done in this order (which the reader might otherwise assume)? If TB.fill < size of the PCN-packet, then the meter MAY: a. leave TB.fill unaltered and indicate "admission mark" to the Mark function b. set TB.fill = 0 and indicate "admission mark" to the Mark function c. set TB.fill = 0 and check if TB.fill < TB.threshold and if it is, then indicate "admission mark" to the Mark function Note: Option a is expected to be the simplest to implement. [Joe] The above points are not needed as "1B" states that minimum TB size=0, it should not go negative. [phil] note, if the meter does choice a, then TB.fill is unaltered. This needs to stated I think. Mark function: If the meter indicates to "admission mark" a PCN-packet, then: [1] this step is REQUIRED, unless [RFC-encoding] standardises an encoding that allows a PCN-packet to be simultaneously "admission marked" and "termination marked": If the PCN-packet's codepoint is already "termination mark" then it MUST NOT be altered, ie the following step is not performed. [2] the PCN-packet's ECN/DSCP fields MUST be set to the codepoint "admission marked", as defined in [RFC-encoding] [Joe]Reword the Marking function to as: The "admission marking" is only applied to unmarked PCN packets. As note could state that "termination marked" packets MUST NOT be remarked, but I believe it is not needed as there may be networks that only do admission control and not flow termination. [phil] however, if the encoding chosen allows a pkt to be both 'adm marked' & 'termin marked' then your check is unnecessary. This is what the text tries to say. However, I don't think this section should be discussed too much at the moment, as hopefully we reach rapid convergence on the encoding option & then we know better what to write here. we could also add an example algorithm, such as that in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-charny-pcn-comparison-00.txt Fig 10.1 <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-charny-pcn-comparison-00.txt% 20Fig%2010.1> on page 21. Comments? phil
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- [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - consensus? philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… Lars Eggert
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… Michael Menth
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… Geib, Ruediger
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… Michael Menth
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… philip.eardley
- Re: [PCN] PCN admission marking algorithm - conse… Michael Menth