Re: [Pearg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-06.txt

Sara Dickinson <sara@sinodun.com> Tue, 07 June 2022 16:20 UTC

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Hi Mallory,

Thanks Mallory - yes - we’ll start this next when Chris (document shepherd) is back in the office :-)

Best regards

Sara. 

> On 1 Jun 2022, at 22:23, Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> wrote:
> 
> I merged this change. Really solid rework, Shivan. 
> 
> Chairs, wondering at this point with such a stable version, if we could enter the draft into research group last call? 
> 
> Thanks,
> -Mallory
> 
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, Shivan Kaul Sahib <shivankaulsahib@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Vittorio, 
> 
> On Thu, 26 May 2022 at 03:36, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I reviewed the diff and I find the section on "network disconnection" a bit ambiguous, because it is unclear if you are discussing "network shutdown" - i.e., the network does not work, all end-user clients are disconnected from the network and no one can communicate anything - or "Internet fragmentation" - i.e. the network continues to work, end-users continue to communicate, but the interconnection of the regional Internet with the rest of the world is cut or put under heavy control, so end-users can only access local/national services.
> 
> 
> I interpreted it to be the latter i.e. fragmentation. I've suggested some text to maybe clarify it a bit more: https://github.com/IRTF-PEARG/rfc-censorship-tech/pull/86
> 
>  
> Both the examples and the comments in the section seem to refer alternatively to one of the two, but the two cases are different; for example, in the case of fragmentation it is incorrect to say that "the censor pays for absolute control over digital information by losing all the benefits the Internet brings", as the Internet continues to work - it's just the global platforms that become unavailable, and while this may be hard if you were basing all your digital services on Google etc, if you as a country were a bit more strategic (see Russia) this will actually more or less work even as a mid-term solution.
> 
> 
> > Il 25/05/2022 22:42 internet-drafts@ietf.org ha scritto:
> > 
> >  
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Privacy Enhancements and Assessments Research Group RG of the IRTF.
> > 
> >         Title           : A Survey of Worldwide Censorship Techniques
> >         Authors         : Joseph Lorenzo Hall
> >                           Michael D. Aaron
> >                           Amelia Andersdotter
> >                           Ben Jones
> >                           Nick Feamster
> >                           Mallory Knodel
> >       Filename        : draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-06.txt
> >       Pages           : 45
> >       Date            : 2022-05-25
> > 
> > Abstract:
> >    This document describes technical mechanisms employed in network
> >    censorship that regimes around the world use for blocking or
> >    impairing Internet traffic.  It aims to make designers, implementers,
> >    and users of Internet protocols aware of the properties exploited and
> >    mechanisms used for censoring end-user access to information.  This
> >    document makes no suggestions on individual protocol considerations,
> >    and is purely informational, intended as a reference.
> > 
> > 
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-pearg-censorship/
> > 
> > There is also an htmlized version available at:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-06
> > 
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-pearg-censorship-06
> > 
> > 
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts
> > 
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