Re: [perpass] Howdy!

Norbert Bollow <nb@bollow.ch> Sat, 14 September 2013 19:07 UTC

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Jacob Appelbaum <jacob@appelbaum.net> wrote:
> SM:
> > The IETF has been operating in "good enough" mode since a long
> > time. Some proposals do not get widespread review.  There are
> > variations of RFC 6302 in the IETF RFCs.  When I raised a "privacy
> > issue" some time back the only person who supported the argument
> > was Stephen Farrell. The amount of effort to raise a "privacy
> > issue" is discouraging.
> > 
> 
> Seems like that isn't a problem now, right? Water under the bridge,
> perhaps? I have also seen a lot of IETF privacy and security weirdness
> but it is clear that things are improving now.

At some point in the future it will be good to do some kind of post
mortem analysis to figure out how it happened that things went so badly
off track in regard to privacy protection.

But I agree, the Snowden disclosures definitely mark a turning point.

Privacy concerns are going to get taken serious now.

Greetings,
Norbert