[Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making thing
Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> Thu, 10 November 2005 19:59 UTC
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From: Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com>
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Subject: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making thing
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I think that one thing that came out of the discussion yesterday and perhaps is clearer on the mailing list today is that "rough consensus" isn't working here because it can't work when the participants are taking polarized positions. Another thing that struck me, though, is that several people said that people who are unhappy with the process are those who've been on the losing end of something-or-other and they need to perhaps be a little more gracious about it. While I think that's generally true, or at least is true in terms of the general direction we need to be going in the future, it's an attitude which is pretty much completely antithetical to consensus process. Consensus tries to ensure that there are no losers per se and that the worst possible outcome is that somebody says "I don't agree with that but I can live with it and won't block the decision." It seems possible to me that some of the problems we're seeing are the result of creating losers and pushing up general frustration levels higher than they need to be ("If this is supposed to be a consensus process, why aren't you listening to me?"). Melinda _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making thing Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making t… Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making t… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making t… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making t… Sam Hartman