Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making thing
Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> Fri, 11 November 2005 15:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making thing
From: Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com>
To: Scott W Brim <swb@employees.org>
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On 11/10/05 4:47 PM, "Scott W Brim" <swb@employees.org> wrote: > We've been around this one a few times, eh? Is it possible in the > current situation? I don't know, but I do know that the extent to which people are being expected to suck it up when they're unhappy with an outcome is the extent to which we've already moved away from consensus decision-making towards voting. I think that's almost certainly necessary, but it seems to me to be a somewhat unfortunate artifact of this tacit shift towards voting is that instead of using clear criteria for determining an outcome (for example, simple majority, some other threshold) we're using I-know-it- when-I-see-it criteria. Melinda _______________________________________________ Pesci-discuss mailing list Pesci-discuss@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pesci-discuss
- [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making thing Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making t… Scott W Brim
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making t… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making t… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: [Pesci-discuss] Back to the decision-making t… Sam Hartman