Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT
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Subject: Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT
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Suresh, I don't see belaboring these points further. I will agree that we disagree on the values and capabilities of NAT and thats fine, rather than provide anymore counter arguments, because I believe the point of this mail list and group is to develop the specifics that relate to that which can be standardized in the IETF to support NAT technology. So lets start having that discussion because I am an engineer who is interested and will build a NAT implementation as one solution to leave IPv4 and move on to IPv6 and avoid private addresses as ONE customer "choice" to accomplish this task. As far as other solutions that don't use NAT I take your mail this is not the place to work on that, though you put that politically quite well as other comments you have made now and in the past, which is good as your the chair and need to be nice to us. Thank You. Soooo... I will connect offline with a few folks and suggest we have a BOF potentially of alternative solutions to NAT. My work on NNAT is for v4-v6 transition and that clearly belongs in the NGTRANS WG I agree. But my engineering work on this has made me realize as an implementor I can implement alternatives to NAT and I will see if others in our community are interested in, in another forum. Including for IPv4 regardless of IPv6. So now I am also interested in solutions that can avoid NAT in IPv4 too. Others can send me mail PRIVATELY if you interested in such a BOF for the L.A. meeting. thanks for working to clear this up, /jim - To unsubscribe, email 'majordomo@livingston.com' with 'unsubscribe nat' in the body of the message.
- RE: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Vinod Valloppillil
- RE: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Vinod Valloppillil
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Perry E. Metzger
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Steve Bellovin
- (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Alex Alten
- (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Cheng_Chen
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT bound
- (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Alex Alten
- (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Alex Alten
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT George Tsirtsis
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Ben Rogers
- (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Perry E. Metzger
- (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Perry E. Metzger
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Yakov Rekhter
- (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Raul Miller
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Derrell D. Piper
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Pyda Srisuresh
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Alexei V. Vopilov
- Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT bound
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Pyda Srisuresh
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT bound
- Re: (NAT) Re: Interactions between IPSEC and NAT Pyda Srisuresh