Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUIC ACK Policy (#3529)
Gorry Fairhurst <notifications@github.com> Tue, 28 April 2020 13:03 UTC
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Yes, our proposal counted ACK-eliciting packets at the receiver (because the receiver does not in general know the congestion state, so you need a heuristic), and we finally chose the same method in currect QUIC Chromium - i.e. for the first 100 packets we do not use ACK 1:10, changing only after 100 packets. Gorry On 28/04/2020 13:34, IngJohEricsson wrote: > Hi > > > > I believe that it is beneficial to use a 1:10 policy, I understand > that this means that a 1:2 policy that still be used in the initial > phase (flow start) or does the timer mechanisms kick in to avoid that > ACKs are transmitted too sparsely in this case ?. > > > > /Ingemar > > > > From: Gorry Fairhurst <notifications@github.com> > Sent: den 28 april 2020 13:38 > To: quicwg/base-drafts <base-drafts@noreply.github.com> > Cc: Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>; Comment > <comment@noreply.github.com> > Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUIC ACK Policy > (#3529) > > > > On 27/04/2020 17:19, Lars Eggert wrote: > > > Folks who care about a change here need to prioritize progressing this > > issue. We're close to being able to last-call the specs, and would > > like this resolved in time. > > > > — > > You are receiving this because you authored the thread. > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > > <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3529#issuecomment-620088318 > <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=b82acfbc-e4a36075-b82a8f27-0cc47ad93e1c-7966577c56c12be6&q=1&e=3996eab0-a615-40ad-8b7d-b572a1fd4189&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fquicwg%2Fbase-drafts%2Fissues%2F3529%23issuecomment-620088318> > >, > > or unsubscribe > > > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABYLLETADUCHE7WAN5IFIWDROWWBNANCNFSM4LOJ4RQA > <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=d1f11561-8d78baa8-d1f155fa-0cc47ad93e1c-a2e73379d4d76bf3&q=1&e=3996eab0-a615-40ad-8b7d-b572a1fd4189&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnotifications%2Funsubscribe-auth%2FABYLLETADUCHE7WAN5IFIWDROWWBNANCNFSM4LOJ4RQA> > >. > > > We’ve completed a round of updated analysis of the proposed change to > the QUIC spec, using quicly (changing to a 1:10 policy), and chromium > (which currently does 1:10 by default). Our hope is that this change to > the spec, to actually make standard end-to-end QUIC work better than > TCP over asymmetric paths! > > This is a short slide deck about the performance of the proposed change: > https://erg.abdn.ac.uk/users/gorry/ietf/QUIC/QUIC-ack10-24-april-00.pdf > > There have been a number of other change made by the QUIC ID editors > relating to ACK processing, so we wanted to be sure these results were > up to date. (These results do not consider additional ACKs after > re-ordering - reflecting the latest text removing that.) > > We also really hope this will motivate a change the practice of forcing > of QUIC fallback to TCP (with PEP/Thining) over highly asymmetric paths. > People may also be interested in work for L4S to evaluate the impact of > ACK Thining for TCP-Prague. > > Please do provide feedback, or any questions on this - as Lars notes, we > think the time is running out for considering new changes, even > relatively simple ones like this. > > Gorry > > P.S. First email: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/NZBbuY88v0lrVspQE2A5br83asA/ > > > > > — > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=9d433096-c1ca9f5f-9d43700d-0cc47ad93e1c-30eb55b8449f0bee&q=1&e=3996eab0-a615-40ad-8b7d-b572a1fd4189&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fquicwg%2Fbase-drafts%2Fissues%2F3529%23issuecomment-620551738> > , or unsubscribe > <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=fbb00142-a739ae8b-fbb041d9-0cc47ad93e1c-d874a6a9da42014c&q=1&e=3996eab0-a615-40ad-8b7d-b572a1fd4189&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnotifications%2Funsubscribe-auth%2FACRZ2GD2F3JDT6LI5Q4A2NTRO25YTANCNFSM4LOJ4RQA> > . > <https://github.com/notifications/beacon/ACRZ2GETA2BOY6L5IISTQD3RO25YTA5CNFSM4LOJ4RQKYY3PNVWWK3TUL52HS4DFVREXG43VMVBW63LNMVXHJKTDN5WW2ZLOORPWSZGOET6N4OQ.gif> > > > — > You are receiving this because you authored the thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3529#issuecomment-620577062>, > or unsubscribe > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ABYLLEQBOCAEWPFNFDLHIRLRO3EMFANCNFSM4LOJ4RQA>. > -- G. Fairhurst, School of Engineering -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3529#issuecomment-620592559
- [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUIC AC… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… martinduke
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… mirjak
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… IngJohEricsson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… IngJohEricsson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… IngJohEricsson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… IngJohEricsson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… IngJohEricsson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… IngJohEricsson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Gorry Fairhurst
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Lucas Pardue
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Changing the Default QUI… Martin Thomson