Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786)

Kazuho Oku <> Fri, 28 September 2018 08:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786)
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> I think the sender text is fairly straightforward, but we have 3 options I'm aware of on the receiver side:
> 1. Require implicit ACKs.
> 2. Instruct the receiver to ACK Initial encryption after receiving Handshake, but not process them.
> 3. Decide we don't care about injection attacks.

IIRC the discussion during the handshake redesign process was that we should not care about injection attacks, though the design allows stacks to implement countermeasures (see [TLS Handshake Messsages on QUIC; section 3.4](

For a middlebox, the easiest way of disrupting a handshake is to send a crafted Initial in response to the client's first flight. We do require the endpoints to implement protection for that. So I do not think there is a reason to care about injection attacks happening at a later moment.

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