RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute format?
"Glen Zorn" <glenzorn@comcast.net> Thu, 27 December 2007 23:35 UTC
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From: Glen Zorn <glenzorn@comcast.net>
To: 'Alan DeKok' <aland@nitros9.org>
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Subject: RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute format?
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:28:26 -0800
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Glen Zorn wrote: > I understand, & sympathize; I think that it's important to remember that a > major reason that we ended up in the position of having multiple external > SDOs defining their own mutually incompatible VSAs is that we (the IETF) > refused to address RADIUS' problems in a useful and meaningful way. We have > an opportunity now to ameliorate if not solve that problem; I don't think > that we should pass it up. If we're going to re-design the attribute format from scratch again, I'd like to know what we've accomplished in the past year. [gwz] I don't know where the "from scratch" comes from; there is a format defined in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-radext-extended-attributes-00 .txt. I am suggesting adding a single octet to the format which A) would considerably enlarge the new type space and B) _could_ be used to standardize functionality that has been added to RADIUS over the years in an ad hoc fashion. [/gwz] There were proposals that were ugly, but solved almost all of the concerns that were raised. This includes the ability to group legacy RADIUS attributes in a "new" format. The one show-stopper I see is putting standard RADIUS attributes into a VSA. If this has *zero* impact on implementations that don't understand the new format, then it would be acceptable. Otherwise, it's an incompatible change to RADIUS. [gwz] Interesting definition of "incompatible". If that is in fact the standard to be met we may as well just fold up our tents and go home since there is _no_ change that could be made which would have "*zero* impact on implementations that don't understand". [/gwz] If we can't put standard attributes into the new format, then we should just pick a better format, and ideally one that's been deployed. The WiMAX format (plus grouping) seems to fit that definition fairly well. [gwz] Can you tell us what it looks like? [/gwz] Alan DeKok. -- to unsubscribe send a message to radiusext-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://psg.com/lists/radiusext/> -- to unsubscribe send a message to radiusext-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://psg.com/lists/radiusext/>
- Questions on modified Extended Attribute format? Glen Zorn
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Bernard_Aboba
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Matt Holdrege
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… David B. Nelson
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Matt Holdrege
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Bernard Aboba
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Bernard Aboba
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Avi Lior
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Avi Lior
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Matt Holdrege
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Bernard Aboba
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Avi Lior
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… David B. Nelson
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Glen Zorn
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Barney Wolff
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- RE: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Avi Lior
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok
- Re: Questions on modified Extended Attribute form… Alan DeKok