Re: [RAM] Ramblings about "locator"
Peter Sherbin <pesherb@yahoo.com> Fri, 15 June 2007 13:58 UTC
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From: Peter Sherbin <pesherb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [RAM] Ramblings about "locator"
To: Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>, ram@iab.org
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> - Do you have to get a new one when you move? IMO that is all you need to tell a loc from an id. Thanks, Peter --- Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > > > My original RAMble (sorry) ended thus: > > > Maybe the essential point is that a locator can at least in > > principle be mapped to topology and an identifier can't. > > My human-name can be mapped to a telephone number. My human-name is not, > however, a telephone number. An "identifier" can certainly be mapped to a > network location with the aid of the appropriate database, just as a DNS > name can be mapped to a network location. > > Maybe you're using the wrong word, and instead of "mapped" you really meant > something like 'directly related', or something like that, but the problem > is that that's a somewhat nebulous turn of phrase. Which is why I > previously suggested that nice gold-standard, easily-comprehendable tests > for 'does this name have location information embedded in it' are: > > - Do you have to get a new one when you move to a new location? > - Given two location-based names, can you tell, by comparing *just the > names*, whether they are 'close' to each other? > > Maybe someone else can come up with a snappy word/phrase which clearly, > cleanly and concisely embodies that very close relationship... > > > > A slightly different way to say it is that a locator is a handle for > > a route. > > No. My street address is not a handle (in any simple sense) for directions to > my house. Yes, with a lot of data (connectivity information), and a certain > amount of computing, it can be turned into directions, but the relationship is > not a simple one. > > This was all quite clear a long time ago; see IEN-19, John Shoch, > "Inter-Network Naming, Addressing, and Routing", January 1978, now finally > available at: > > ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/ien/ien19.txt > > Everyone here should be familiar with what it has to say. > > Noel > > _______________________________________________ > RAM mailing list > RAM@iab.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC _______________________________________________ RAM mailing list RAM@iab.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram
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- Re: [RAM] Re: Ramblings about "locator" Dino Farinacci
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