Re: [Rats] draft-thaler-rats-architecture (was Re: Use case -> architecture document)

Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 16 October 2019 14:28 UTC

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From: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:27:36 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Rats] draft-thaler-rats-architecture (was Re: Use case -> architecture document)
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On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:10 AM Schönwälder, Jürgen <
J.Schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 02:04:24PM +0200, Michael Richardson wrote:
> >
> > I still find the terms Attester and Verifier confusing.
> >
> > I think that when the Verifier signs/creates the Attestation Results,
> that
> > this is an act of Attestation, and this the Verifier is the Attester.
> >
>
> This took me off as well when I started reading about RATS. :-) Henk
> told me that the industry has settled on somewhat confusing terms in
> this area and it might confuse this part of the industry if the IETF
> picks different terms... Not sure what is the right thing to do.
>

I gave a keynote at the TCG meeting yesterday and it was a very well spent
day.  They were receptive to learning more on the IETF and related work
areas that could be of interest to the TCG and participants.

As for terminology, it was stated that the terminology is confusing for
them as well in their space and they'd like to see it easier
to understand.  This may not be the opinion of everyone that was in the
room, but no one argued the point.

One of the main purposes of the talk was to enhance collaboration in this
area of work, and to help those in TCG understand how to engage in the
IETF.  Additionally, I wanted to (and still do) learn more about their
other work in the area of attestation.  Many of us, including TCG
leadership (lunch discussion) are interested to see a clearer picture of
the space painted and to reduce the chance of overlapping work.  Hopefully,
we will see additional TCG participants begin to review and weigh in on
RATS WG items.  I also hope that some more of their work may transition to
this working group, but that may take some time.  This could help to paint
that larger picture and distill the numerous set of use cases.

Best regards,
Kathleen


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Best regards,
Kathleen