Re: [recipe] FYI: [admin-discuss] REMINDER: IETF carbon emission measurement workshops on 20 and 21 September

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 06:12:51PM +0000, Cedric Westphal wrote:
> Interesting that for a typical meeting, the airplane leg comprises 99% of CO2 emissions. I had no idea it was so much.

Yes, i wonder about that too. I think this is based on the CO2 emission multiplied by a factor
for having the emission in the stratosphere, and that factor i think does not
necessarily have a widely agreed upon value. But i am not quite sure. I can also
not imagine that the whole hotel energy consumption does not factor into the CO2
emissions significantly, especially not when its in a hot US american city
and still freezing the attendees.

> I would be interesting to compare to more recent IETFs with a stronger hybrid participation. Then you can put a number on the energy savings of having technology substitution/virtual meeting.

Right. 

Cheers
    Toerless
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: recipe <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Toerless Eckert
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:24 AM
> To: Michael Welzl <[e-mail]>
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> Subject: Re: [recipe] FYI: [admin-discuss] REMINDER: IETF carbon emission measurement workshops on 20 and 21 September
> 
> Yes. Except that i would hope that the IETF administration has gained through this effort some good insight into the metrics of carbon offsetting, which by itself is i think a core metric of interest to our broader technology efforts (and of course i guess also a source of a lot of criticisim. Aka: good to be somewhat knowledgable about it and have opinions if/how its applicable to us).
> 
> (Thats at least my motivation attempting to attend)
> 
> Cheers
>     toerless
> 
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 05:06:07PM +0200, Michael Welzl wrote:
> > Aha, this is not about the Internet, but about the IETF per se…  so, of smaller relevance to the envisioned work on this list - right?
> > 
> > (just checking if I got this right)
> > 
> > I’m personally interested in the first, not the second.
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On 20 Sep 2022, at 16:59, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Originally sent by greg to [e-mail]
> > > 
> > >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:42:50AM -0400, Greg Wood wrote:
> > >> Hello,
> > >> 
> > >> A friendly reminder about the workshops scheduled in the next few days with an .ics file attached for each.
> > >> 
> > >> -Greg
> > >> 
> > >> +++
> > >> 
> > >> As previously outlined [1], we have undertaken a project to look at how to measure and offset the carbon emissions of the IETF, and potentially reach the level of a net zero emitter.
> > >> 
> > >> To that end, we have engaged a consultancy with deep expertise in the area and are organizing several sets of workshops so they can help bring us all up to speed on this complex subject.
> > >> 
> > >> # Carbon emissions measurement approach
> > >> 
> > >> This set of workshops will provide information about the global standards-based approach being developed to calculate, as accurately as possible, IETF carbon emissions (initially focused on emissions from IETF meetings). They will be held on:
> > >> 
> > >> + 2100 UTC on 20 September
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> > >> and
> > >> 
> > >> + 0800 UTC on 21 September
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> > >> 
> > >> A reminder will be sent several days ahead of the workshops, with recordings and materials from the workshops shared shortly afterwards.
> > >> 
> > >> # Carbon offset strategy
> > >> 
> > >> These workshops will present an overview of the myriad approaches to carbon offsetting with the goal of developing an offsetting strategy that has broad community support. They will be held on:
> > >> 
> > >> + 2100 UTC on 1 November
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> > >> + 0800 UTC on 2 November
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> > >> 
> > >> A reminder will be sent several days ahead of the workshops, with recordings and materials from the workshops shared shortly afterwards. 
> > >> 
> > >> In addition to follow-on discussion encouraged on [e-mail], a session during IETF 115 will be organized with details to be shared as the agenda for IETF 115 is set.
> > >> 
> > >> Please let me know if I can provide any additional information.
> > >> 
> > >> -Greg
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> [1] 
> > >> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fw
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> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> --
> > >> Greg Wood
> > >> IETF LLC
> > >> [phone]
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Topic: IETF carbon emissions measurement workshop
> > >> Time: Sep 20, 2022 09:00 PM GMT
> > >> 
> > >> Join Zoom Meeting
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> > >> 
> > >> Meeting ID: 828 4038 6298
> > >> Passcode: 501119
> > >> 
> > > 
> > >> BEGIN:VCALENDAR
> > >> CALSCALE:GREGORIAN
> > >> VERSION:2.0
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> > >> SUMMARY:IETF carbon emissions measurement workshop 
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> > >> END:VCALENDAR
> > > 
> > >> 
> > >> Topic: IETF carbon emissions measurement workshop
> > >> Time: Sep 21, 2022 08:00 AM GMT
> > >> 
> > >> Join Zoom Meeting
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> > >> 
> > > 
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> > >> VERSION:2.0
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