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Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Wed, 03 January 2024 14:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] RECOMMENDS
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  The example usage you call out is problematic - maybe you can point to 
one that is more obviously about interoperability?

As it is, the fragment is written as if the document has agency. Even if 
it were changed to "The contributors to this document RECOMMEND that" 
(note the scope creep), it's as problematic for someone who would have 
trouble extending the semantic of RECOMMENDED to RECOMMENDS to make the 
leap from "The author RECOMMENDS that foo doesn't bar" to "foo SHOULD 
NOT bar". (Cue a discussion of how the protocol breaks if foo bars here).

If prose is the better way to convey the point - use prose. If the 
additional has-to-be-learned-context of using the capitalized reserved 
words is actually needed to make a more precise specification, then use 
them in very simple constructions.

I'm hoping Pete will come say this more clearly than I have.

For entertainment, imagine a gritty movie in which a group comes into a 
shop when no-one but the shopkeeper is around and says "We RECOMMEND 
that your windows don't get broken".

RjS


On 1/3/24 2:57 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> The usage is mainly "This document RECOMMENDS that..."  so I suppose 
> they could all say "It is RECOMMENDED that...", but passive tense is 
> often considered bad style. However, the fact that this is such a 
> common usage tells me that pragmatically, we should allow it and make 
> it official.
>
> (via tiny screen & keyboard)
> Regards,
>         Brian Carpenter
>
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2024, 21:23 Julian Reschke, 
> <julian.reschke=40gmx.de@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
>     On 02.01.2024 19:30, HANSEN, TONY wrote:
>     > I’m with Brian here – it feels wrong that it’s not “official”.
>     >
>     > - Tony
>
>     I don't see the need. Wouldn't it be simpler to treat these
>     occurrences
>     as editorial errata?
>
>     Best regards, Julian
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