[rfc-i] Re: RFC 9633 SVG is unreadable

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Fri, 16 May 2025 10:21 UTC

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On 16. May 2025, at 07:52, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> 
> Additionally, I have yet to find an obvious way to display just a diagram
> itself.  Both so that I can zoom better, but also so that I can extract the
> diagram for a slide, etc.  I usually wind up diving into the XML or HTML and
> yanking the <SVG></SVG> part out into a file.

Clearly, source code and artwork elements should have a few buttons, such as “copy” or a link to the RFC filesystem (*).  Like the pilcrow for text, these buttons could be normally hidden and appear on hovering.

Grüße, Carsten

(*) As prototyped in, e.g., 
https://tzi.org/~cabo/rfc/rfc9290/svg/problem-details-example-wit.svg <https://user.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~cabo/rfc/rfc9290/svg/problem-details-example-wit.svg>
or 
https://tzi.org/~cabo/rfc/rfc9290/cddl/structure-of-concise-proble.cddl