[rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc
mrex at sap.com (Martin Rex) Fri, 27 July 2012 20:48 UTC
From: "mrex at sap.com"
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:48:58 +0200
Subject: [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc
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Paul Hoffman wrote: > Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> That being said: it doesn't really matter. Conforming HTML5 can >> easily be transformed into XHTML5. But if we do that, we'll need >> to change some of the rules currently in the draft, for instance >> with respect to closing elements (for some elements in HTML, >> such as <link>, it's not even optional). > > The possibility of these kinds of changes argues for a stable > (at least 10 years) format for the canonical format and multiple, > possibly-changing additional formats. This is the basic logic in > draft-hoffman-rfcformat-canon-others for using a long-lived profile > of XML as the canonical, non-changing format. After taking a look at the visual terrifying disaster here: http://cursive.net/draft-hildebrand-html-rfc-2012-07-16.html I'm convinced that using HTML for a submission format would be an extremely bad idea. It would require huge amount of manpower for the RFC Editor to rework HTML-based submissions from independent authors in a fashion that the result will at least have superficial resemblance in style and coming from the same SDO. When I compare the style of ITU-T X.509 11/2008 document with the above HTML document, then the author of the former shows to have an understanding of typesetting with respect use of type faces, font size, use of boldface, color and text background style. Compared to TeX, the XML document structure is significantly more painful to write and maintain and for HTML it is a nightmare in how much additinonal typing&maintenance it requires, and how much information, that is conceptually redundant, must be manually and seperately maintained, making it prone to inconsistencies. TeX (manual section numbering): \beginsection 5.3. Sequence Diagrams LaTeX (auto section numbering): \section{Sequence Diagrams} rfc2629-XML (auto section numbering, I assume): <section title="Sequence Diagrams" anchor="websequencediagram-sample"> [...] </section> draft-hildebrand-html-rfc-2012-07-16 (manual section numbering): <div class='section' id='websequencediagram-sample'> <h3><a class='self-ref' href='#websequencediagram-sample'>5.3.</a> Sequence Diagrams</h3> [...] </div> -Martin
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Yoav Nir
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Yoav Nir
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Saint-Andre
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Saint-Andre
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Touch
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Touch
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Touch
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Touch
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Touch
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Internet-Draft Formats Russ Housley
- [rfc-i] Internet-Draft Formats Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc "Martin J. Dürst"
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Tim Bray
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Tim Bray
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Yoav Nir
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Tim Bray
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Tim Bray
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… John Levine
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… John R Levine
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Peter Saint-Andre
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… "Martin J. Dürst"
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… "Martin J. Dürst"
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… "Martin J. Dürst"
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] Graceful degradation is key, was: Re: dra… Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] Metadatan was Graceful degradation John Levine
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc "Martin J. Dürst"
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc "Martin J. Dürst"
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Paul Hoffman
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Tim Bray
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Julian Reschke
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Martin Rex
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] css problems Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] css problems Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc "Martin J. Dürst"
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] draft-hildebrand-html-rfc Peter Sylvester
- [rfc-i] Importance of good 'canonical' typography… "Martin J. Dürst"
- [rfc-i] disappointment Dave Crocker
- [rfc-i] Importance of good 'canonical' typography… Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] disappointment Joe Hildebrand jhildebr
- [rfc-i] disappointment Dave Crocker
- [rfc-i] Importance of good 'canonical' typography… Phillip Hallam-Baker