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"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Fri, 20 January 2023 05:16 UTC

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To: Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org>, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
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Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc] [Ext] [Tools-discuss] New xml2rfc release: v3.16.0
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On 2023-01-20 02:28, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:

> Responding in the order I received answer.
> 
> On 1/19/23 08:12, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2023, at 7:41 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/18/23 14:09, Kesara Rathnayake wrote:
>>>> See https://github.com/ietf-tools/xml2rfc/releases/tag/v3.16.0 for
>>>> release details.
>>>>
>>>> New changes include,
>>>> * Permit non-ASCII within <t> without the use of <u>.
>>>
>>> Isn't an unconditional use of non-ASCII a violation of RFC 7997?
>>
>> It should not be, but it would be good to hear which parts of 7997 you think would be violated so we can update the RFC.
>>
> 
> I summarized the rules in my response to Jay.  As RFC 7997 clearly listed a finite list of exceptions to the "no Unicode rule".  Permitting Unicode characters in <t> element clearly extends that list, and so violates RFC 7997.

Let's say I have a draft/RFC-to-be that contains the word "protokol" 
(Javanese (and probably a few other languages, although not German, that 
would be Protokoll) for protocol) somewhere inside <t>. As Jay has 
mentioned (and everybody here knows), our documents are in English, and 
so the word "protokol" is an error. Can you explain why it is 
technically allowed inside the <t> element?

Please note that the improvement made in xml2rfc v3.16.0 wasn't because 
somebody wanted to use non-ASCII characters willy-nilly, but because 
they wanted to follow RFC 7997, but had to resort to hacks to get around 
unjustified tool limitations.

Regards,   Martin.

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