Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re: [admin-discuss] Public archival of AUTH48 communications)
Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> Fri, 04 March 2022 20:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re: [admin-discuss] Public archival of AUTH48 communications)
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Christian, On 04.03.22 21:02, Christian Huitema wrote: > The process would be most transparent if the published version was > exactly the version approved by the IESG. Or "almost exactly", if the > changes were entirely predictable, such as removing text marked as > "please remove before publication". But in my mind, rewriting > paragraphs does not belong there. Given the dearth of incidents when output of a working group so surprised members when it became an RFC, I'd argue that'd be a bad trade off against the readability that the RPC helps us gain. And yes, there was ONE incident in the early 1990s. We've discussed it before. In fact we discussed it then. That makes me wonder what all the fuss is about. Eliot
- [Rfced-future] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re: [admin-disc… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Jean Mahoney
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… John C Klensin
- Re: [Rfced-future] [rfc-i] RSWG & AUTH48 (was Re:… Michael Richardson