Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13

Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> Sat, 11 April 2020 15:38 UTC

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From: Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com>
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13
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I went through the diff and it seems ok to me. Thanks
Regarding ROVR, pls find my rsp inline.

>
> > 3) There is no mandate for using the ROVR in the target option. It is a SHOULD,
> should it be a MUST?
>
> [RJ] The ROVR will be a MUST only when a DAO for RUL is sent with a lifetime of
> zero by the 6LR. If this is what you mean then yes, I think it should be a MUST.

There will still be the case of a legacy node, to the Root will have to cope with no ROVR.
The text did not MUST on the termination because there is a proposed alternative of doing the EDAR exchange there.

SHOULD we MUST it all the time?

It is also useful to control the 6LBR, e.g., reduce the lifetime.
It is mostly protecting the future for more zerotrust security using the ROVR in RPL. We can work on that rapidly once the RUL work is complete. The cost is the extra bytes obviously.

[RJ] Sorry, but I am still not clear on the proposition here. Are you proposing that all the DAO target options MUST carry a ROVR field even in regular case? I understand that using ROVR might improve security in the future but the cost is high in my opinion.