Re: [Roll] Add ROVR in DAO?

"Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com> Mon, 26 August 2019 08:55 UTC

Return-Path: <pthubert@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AB3120048 for <roll@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -14.501
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=Ywcu8Pf7; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=GWlwbf3p
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B5PUv2rr4Vta for <roll@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 01:55:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5812C120025 for <roll@ietf.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 01:55:38 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1088; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1566809738; x=1568019338; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=vTauzhloPoHURURuBmEK7h+uJS0kibhMt3kCJoDdI2Y=; b=Ywcu8Pf79fIF+Hp8MutHCXko1tekdQr9BmmjBaS1lEMWGIVkyRFXn2dX Jdl8ydJciCBj6zzVv6QeF7rn4xkI43TaXkohLC8Pft/VURJrgD7BCIFeB J4s9Ywp05V0H4RhW6sSZcQt//5lBhtS8fIAXYZzdkPmD7hJuQPcZVZE5v g=;
IronPort-PHdr: 9a23:t7YjihGsyEbO268lmKmP5p1GYnJ96bzpIg4Y7IYmgLtSc6Oluo7vJ1Hb+e4z1Q3SRYuO7fVChqKWqK3mVWEaqbe5+HEZON0pNVcejNkO2QkpAcqLE0r+eeb2bzEwEd5efFRk5Hq8d0NSHZW2ag==
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AIAQDsnWNd/4kNJK1kHQEBBQEHBQGBVQYBCwGBRFADgUMgBAsqhCGDRwOKbE2CD5dogS6BJANUCQEBAQwBAS0CAQGEPwIXglAjNgcOAgoBAQQBAQECAQYEbYUtDIVKAQEBAwESEQQNDAEBOA8CAQgaAiYCAgIwFRABAQQbGoRrAw4PAQKcLgKBOIhhc38zgnsBAQWEfhiCFgmBDCgBhHyGdRiBQD+BEUaCTD6ERoMJMoImjCBTgiqOG442CQKCHpRemE+mDgIEAgQFAg4BAQWBVwQtgVhwFYMngkKDcopTcoEpjXkBAQ
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.64,431,1559520000"; d="scan'208";a="319095188"
Received: from alln-core-4.cisco.com ([173.36.13.137]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 26 Aug 2019 08:55:37 +0000
Received: from XCH-RCD-013.cisco.com (xch-rcd-013.cisco.com [173.37.102.23]) by alln-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x7Q8tbTs024573 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <roll@ietf.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:55:37 GMT
Received: from xhs-aln-003.cisco.com (173.37.135.120) by XCH-RCD-013.cisco.com (173.37.102.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 03:55:37 -0500
Received: from xhs-rtp-002.cisco.com (64.101.210.229) by xhs-aln-003.cisco.com (173.37.135.120) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 03:55:35 -0500
Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (64.101.32.56) by xhs-rtp-002.cisco.com (64.101.210.229) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 04:55:35 -0400
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=l8GWxMwqXAdax4ky9Jv9hWea99I2/fqs1/6h0SQw9CxMFyF6N+qnW9PMcgPZlT62BQJeW6tTjSCHZIARF9DIGQ1plEs6Fqxe9q5LL4ro2wnje3dsyWu8PPdpAfrjnp7mTMnQ9Qc63stdCjD/rqHHueqHPAzzItY4GPd2Npxhc7Deuvz372PPE8psQ7KpyYfl4pRlZQBuqspXI+RDHHtPHc661edSw9ThBLJ8UZ7Mqz5dn2HPU8bdJEZNEStDYi+kMDGQXJRhs7xQ9ff+uNDs3FSEIs23ZIcqXPaSEQYOahXhkh/W8s1enDQ+jwbpcFqOPpCJOpeHbhoMbTJpWogtGw==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=vTauzhloPoHURURuBmEK7h+uJS0kibhMt3kCJoDdI2Y=; b=Afy51SaRrdRzWkfGsT5v0rbfpAV8sMuUY12+sEKSSZ7yvD6IZd+vIuvh/HUozXzjxwAZhQ5I8sWJIq38WZ1610WVmiADJGPCSy3bKf3poynQGERXkRaaBQ7/CpcWe6q/Jk0X9z4c/Mo6xbhL4msyL5j44T/KuK7m1yRPJPVVVA7hBIIztzs1DWob3i0f5w2i5lMi/Ofo090EM35Iy/ZXB72/d8SfMQ4nSIWzEWR+R9nX3WFRpvZm254IT6RC3lPygvUeDPnaF420b3Ap+Z59YPGCPb6FVUUTU3c+Z+WsT+nbNqz81lQ8IPQrFnYLp6hGqhJWy858sS28Rj6AW+RSag==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cisco.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=cisco.com; dkim=pass header.d=cisco.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-cisco-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=vTauzhloPoHURURuBmEK7h+uJS0kibhMt3kCJoDdI2Y=; b=GWlwbf3pzRnkWX7ahwtFhZ9KiVKfD1mll429ZG/B9u+jtJJ59Y64A3GcC40msqlrJmYVAvNe8S+DSPaH5cVHXFg9hOmVtabezfgBEPAiGhgDBjRbGk/ZHvXzkou6FduDPnjKSRm4y0TwAr8BRhvu8ZSL3T+jb4yzyLuMrkmPf3Y=
Received: from MN2PR11MB3565.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (20.178.250.159) by MN2PR11MB3773.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (20.178.253.160) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2199.21; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:55:34 +0000
Received: from MN2PR11MB3565.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::89cf:9d:8a75:266e]) by MN2PR11MB3565.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::89cf:9d:8a75:266e%3]) with mapi id 15.20.2199.021; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:55:34 +0000
From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Roll] Add ROVR in DAO?
Thread-Index: AdVCahRZPRQ6beNIQb+VlVo9l/YWKAXLCFRQABejjIAAfUidoA==
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:55:22 +0000
Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:55:17 +0000
Message-ID: <MN2PR11MB356529243E97FF78418F8C97D8A10@MN2PR11MB3565.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR11MB35652CCE7A961CD581EDE47DD8C60@MN2PR11MB3565.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <MN2PR11MB35653048AE54B21CCF055031D8A40@MN2PR11MB3565.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <15452.1566593587@dooku.sandelman.ca>
In-Reply-To: <15452.1566593587@dooku.sandelman.ca>
Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=pthubert@cisco.com;
x-originating-ip: [2001:420:c0c0:1003::f7]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 7439204b-71f4-4b4d-f650-08d72a03287c
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(4652040)(8989299)(5600166)(711020)(4605104)(1401327)(4534185)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(8990200)(2017052603328)(7193020); SRVR:MN2PR11MB3773;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MN2PR11MB3773:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <MN2PR11MB37734ABCA68F916B6772253FD8A10@MN2PR11MB3773.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8882;
x-forefront-prvs: 01415BB535
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(4636009)(136003)(366004)(376002)(39860400002)(346002)(396003)(199004)(189003)(6506007)(71190400001)(186003)(6436002)(71200400001)(55016002)(86362001)(81156014)(81166006)(9686003)(8676002)(5660300002)(66446008)(76116006)(8936002)(6666004)(33656002)(66556008)(64756008)(66946007)(6116002)(7696005)(4744005)(2906002)(76176011)(66476007)(486006)(6246003)(25786009)(476003)(46003)(446003)(102836004)(229853002)(99286004)(11346002)(74316002)(6916009)(52536014)(305945005)(14454004)(256004)(316002)(53936002)(478600001)(7736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:MN2PR11MB3773; H:MN2PR11MB3565.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: cisco.com does not designate permitted sender hosts)
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: SaSpQxa9JHE5r/0MpCZA28HmXt9QBzDRco+JTIQgGYstXKSJxynVePKVcJZPAClXmNIcocXL2E5F1QE5Jvl5yUuZIudWW4B0EftDUlk4uBCUBZs1fLDrx/vUEOoLqf9fB86S1M6Qx5pfz8Jhme3TbdXWFnxarnBrWXKoAaMvTNJPAoh12TMbiKEnE/30mxx1YMhtotWQMWv+ClLK2hkOnJi4yG0NA7015CpNRzcrWX8aOeRO9sS+R8Sv1hOxgDJ0cpJ2W/3VTKFA0j0Yb5hWiojXIAEY2TnszVsQoOWe4BiM0VLQHpsgn6FlBltYuQdE1QlZ3FHtqSWaK7ygoJOGFsFO8PagRUw+tsAoMldpJlJoOr0IuhpsLwth+fWMeMJ4z3WZrCdr75BWURx4W+sJ2cbrNnUBEf0owA8UpfdVeLo=
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 7439204b-71f4-4b4d-f650-08d72a03287c
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 26 Aug 2019 08:55:34.7391 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: r5l+tb6KgWzvZGhcu2XemtRaqNEJrVScV70iiWeHcl/uYw/vCMg+dM8sCuA2x9bUIsR9pnbtinnmHCEL3EwgVA==
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR11MB3773
X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com
X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.23, xch-rcd-013.cisco.com
X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-4.cisco.com
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/yCY6KM2KOcJa5p3RMhtCwWPwW8A>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Add ROVR in DAO?
X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/roll>, <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/roll/>
List-Post: <mailto:roll@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll>, <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:55:41 -0000

Hello Michael

> 
> So, this will be used by unware-leaves?
>     EARO(ROVR) -> 6LR
>                   6LR ---DAO(ROVR)---> 6LBR


Yes, more like this
 6LN -> EARO(ROVR) -> 6L
                   6LR ---DAO(ROVR)---> Root 
                                    Root ---DAR(ROVR)---> 6LBR

Note that I do not know how to avoid keeping what we have in unaware leaves today, that is the flow from the 6LR without a ROVR, and the problem is as usual backward compatibility.
We have to chose between yet another flag day / configuration bit approach or to live with the keep alive as already described with no ROVR as an option.
There's also the problem of knowing whether the 6LBR supports the keep alive with no ROVR. That will need to be signaled.

Suggestions welcome!

Pascal