Re: [rtcweb] DataChannels API and external negotiation

Michael Tuexen <> Wed, 03 April 2013 18:16 UTC

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On Apr 3, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Randell Jesup wrote:

> On 4/3/2013 12:05 PM, Peter Thatcher wrote:
>> I think moving protocol into the dictionary is a good idea.   In fact,
>> I'd like to see label move there as well, but that's probably asking
>> too much.
>> And now for a little of my own bikeshedding:
>> I don't understand way we have "stream" and "preset", since you can
>> only set "stream" if "preset" is true.  Why not just make the rule "if
>> stream is set, no in-band message is sent", and get rid of "preset"
>> altogether?  I really don't like the word "stream" sneaking in, since
>> it's so overloaded (MediaStream, RTP Stream, etc).  I'd prefer "sid"
>> or just "id".
> The reason was that I wanted a way to have the system select a stream to use (that you can then communicate externally to the other side); this avoids any chance of a collision with existing streams. If this is seen as not useful, then we can collapse it to a single entry.   (I also toyed with using stream 65535 as a flag to tell the system to allocate one; that seemed too hacky.)
> Since this option was almost solely for those who understand the underlying SCTP-ness of this, I used "stream", but I'm fine with "streamId" or "id" (or "index" might be better than "id", which sounds like a label of some sort).  I dislike "sid" for similar reasons to disliking "rtx".
>> I like the idea that reliable+ordered is the default, and both
>> reliability and ordered can be set independently.  I also prefer
>> "ordered" over "outOfOrderAllowed", and along with that I like the
>> idea of a "reliable" flag that, if false, is the equivalent of either
>> maxRetransmitNum:0 or maxRetransmitTime:0.  Finally, I think
>> "maxRetransmitTime" should make its units clear, perhaps calling it
>> "maxRetransmitMillis", and "maxRetransmitNum" could be shortened to
>> simply "maxRetransmits".
> Those seem reasonable (I'd use Millisec/MilliSec or perhaps MS instead of Millis -- how are millisecond time values in other HTML5 specs described?).  On "reliable:false" - is this just a shorthand for "ordered:false, maxRetransmits:0"?  If so, I'm probably ok with it - it's redundant, but makes it easy to use/read for a common case.

Does this mean that if I want
I have to set reliable:true? That doesn't make sense... Also reliability is independent from

I would prefer to avoid redundancy there.

Best regards
>> So the dictionary for my bikeshed would be:
>> dictionary DataChannelInit {
>>   DOMString protocol;
>>   unsigned short id;
>>   boolean ordered;
>>   boolean reliable;
>>   unsigned short maxRetransmits;
>>   unsigned short maxRetransmitMillis;
>> };
> -- 
> Randell Jesup
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