Re: [rtcweb] JS friendly codec compromise?

Zach Lym <zachlym@indolering.com> Wed, 02 April 2014 16:32 UTC

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My apologies, I am rather ignorant of the gritty implementation details.

Maybe ORBX.js will be of some use, I guess we will see what the summer
brings.

I'll get back to my corner of expertise,
-Zach
On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 1 April 2014 18:39, Zach Lym <zachlym@indolering.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > However, the larger point Brendan Eich makes, and what I am trying to
> > convey here, is that eschewing a fixed bit-stream format in favor of a
> > living standard would make such comparisons moot.  Clients could even
> > send the JS needed to decode their custom format to each other.  The
> > web is based on specifying interfaces, think of this as an interface
> > for codecs.
>
> Unfortunately, a JS-implemented codec does not play well with isolated
> sessions, otherwise we can't establish true private calling.  In that
> context, we still need something that the browser can control.
> Perhaps with the right sandbox it could work, but I think that it's a
> little too early to be considering that option.  Soon, perhaps.
>


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Thank you,
-Zach Lym