Re: WG last call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model

tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> Wed, 16 September 2020 10:00 UTC

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From: tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>
To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>, "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Chris Bowers <chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com>, RTGWG <rtgwg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: WG last call for draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model
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From: Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com>
Sent: 15 September 2020 21:37

Hi Tom, Chris, et al,
I've moved the non-normative sections to appendixes in the -22 version. Also, at the risk of being redundant, I included an explicit reference for the unpopular BGP sub-module prefixes.

<tp>
Looks good.

Every time I read this, I see something:-(  So some trivia for as and when a new version is needed:

container prefixes has 'is is'

container conditions /returns control the/returns control to the/
and
should or SHOULD? (an AD is bound to ask if we meant this:-)

'chain' is probably worth expanding on.  It appears in 4.4 and is relied on in s.5 without ever a formal definition and it might not be obvious how it is represented in the YANG model. I infer that it is the leaf-list import-policy or export-policy but chain does not appear in the descriptions thereof.  So I think a sentence in 4.4 saying what a chain looks like as YANG would help as would a mention of chain alongside list in the description of export-policy and import-policy.  If my inference is wrong, then please tell me what a chain is!

Tom Petch

Thanks
Acee

On 9/10/20, 6:10 PM, "rtgwg on behalf of Acee Lindem (acee)" <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of acee=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

    Hi Tom,

    As previously noted, the BGP model augments the routing-policy model and not the other way around. Hence, resolution of BGP model issues is not a prerequisite for publication of this YANG model. AFAIK, none of the open issues with the BGP model are related to its augmentation of the routing-policy model.


    Now, I'd like to see the BGP model issues addressed and the model progress as much as you but there is absolutely nothing unusual regarding its treatment.

    Thanks,
    Acee

    On 9/10/20, 11:44 AM, "rtgwg on behalf of tom petch" <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote:

        From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Chris Bowers <chrisbowers.ietf@gmail.com>
        Sent: 09 September 2020 21:07

        RTGWG,

        I think there is rough WG consensus to submit draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model to the IESG for publication.  I will include a description of the discussion related to draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model in the shepherd writeup.  It will likely take the IESG several months to publish draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model.  If there are changes in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model that make it desirable to change the text of the example in draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model before publication, then any changes in draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model will be discussed within RTGWG.

        <tp>
        Chris
        The other thought that I had was that the treatment of bgp-model, which I would regard as unusual, might attract some interesting comment from such as Genart or Opsdir reviews so it might be valuable to get those done earlier rather than later.

        Tom Petch

        Thanks,
        Chris


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