Re: [Secdispatch] [hrpc] [art] Open Ethics Transparency Protocol

John Curran <jcurran@istaff.org> Tue, 01 February 2022 12:43 UTC

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> On 31 Jan 2022, at 8:22 PM, Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org> wrote:
> 
> Check out 
>               https://github.com/w3ctag/ethical-web-principles
> which seems to have some momentum and some similar goals.

Larry - 

A very interesting initiative - thanks for sharing. 

After brief review, it would appear that the web folks have a signficiant advantage in their efforts to protect human rights on the web, as they are successful in affirmatively stating their desired outcome for its users – 
e.g. "The web must make it possible for people to verify the information they see” - this speaks directly to the functionality that must be provided to the users rather than the human rights implications of an application failing to do so…

An interesting thought exercise lies in considering why the IETF/IRTF work in this area differs in this regard - I suspect it is not lack of desire, but inherent to dealing with many protocols and implied application contexts rather than one predominant model (i.e. the user/web browser context).   It is quite reasonable that the abundance of protocols and user contexts results in pragmatic limits in postulating desired user functionality for an ethical Internet, but it does raise the question of whether more focused efforts for the most popular applications (e.g. email, messaging) could be undertaken in other contexts or for some reason are simply unachievable outside of the web context...

Thanks again for the pointer to this work! 
/John

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