Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for something
Martijn Grooten <martijn@lapsedordinary.net> Thu, 10 December 2015 17:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for something
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 04:56:29PM +0000, Richard Clayton wrote: > an IP address generally indicates the ISP and country of origin (but > there's a number of edge cases) The email address does at least indicate the former. Personally, I don't think country of origin is significant personal information (though here too there are edge cases). > for many individuals there is only a short-term linkage between > themselves and the IP address (think dialup, DHCP systems for broadband > and carrier grade NAT solutions for mobile) so you can seldom use it for > long-term tracking of activity ("what else has this person done") I have been told that in the case of a home ISP, the linkage lasts long enough that if you send me a job application email from 1.2.3.4 that a visit to our website three days ago from 1.2.3.4 was quite likely made from the same house. I believe this is in part why some legislations consider an IP address personal data. A "crypgraphic blob" would still be linked to the customer, but not to any other activity. Martijn.
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… John Levine
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Martijn Grooten
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… John C Klensin
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… John Levine
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Martijn Grooten
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Richard Clayton
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Martijn Grooten
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Martijn Grooten
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Steve Atkins
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Richard Clayton
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Hector Santos
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Proposed Charter for som… Christian Huitema