RE: Comments about draft-martin-managesieve-00.txt
Edward Hibbert <EH@datcon.co.uk> Tue, 15 February 2000 09:34 UTC
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From: Edward Hibbert <EH@datcon.co.uk>
To: 'Lawrence Greenfield' <leg+@andrew.cmu.edu>, ietf-mta-filters@imc.org
Cc: Randall Gellens <randy@Qualcomm.Com>, Barry Leiba <leiba@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: RE: Comments about draft-martin-managesieve-00.txt
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:37:06 -0000
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For the sorts of reasons you raise we are going to use our existing X.500 directory service, via LDAP. To us (but I'm happy to accept not to everyone), ACAP looks as though it's re-inventing another directory service and access protocol, and we already have quite enough of those. We have no motivation to add ACAP support to our existing directory service. Edward Hibbert. DCL. -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Greenfield [mailto:leg+@andrew.cmu.edu] Sent: 15 February 2000 02:17 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Cc: Randall Gellens; Barry Leiba Subject: Re: Comments about draft-martin-managesieve-00.txt Ok, we're all interesting in getting ACAP servers out there. I'd love to just use ACAP. However, defining an "ACAP profile" to handle Sieve scripts isn't as easy as it sounds. For instance: I want to be able to share my Sieve script with my coworkers, but not my boss (I filter all of his mail). For instance: Since we don't want the ACAP server and IMAP server necessarily sharing the same filesystem, I want my IMAP server to be able to open contexts on my ACAP server that stores the scripts. This way I don't have to do an ACAP search for every message delivery but I won't use out-of-date Sieve scripts. Ok, great, now we need ACLs and contexts. I'm sure I can justify just about any other ACAP feature you want me to. We (CMU) have a working ACAP server. I'm willing to start putting Sieve scripts on it next week. I'd be extremely happy to say "we're going to use ACAP" and see people implement ACAP servers to store Sieve scripts. I'm not sure this is going to encourage deployment of Sieve. Or, rather: is anybody going to develop an ACAP server to deploy Sieve in their products? Larry Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:53:01 -0800 From: Randall Gellens <randy@Qualcomm.Com> At 08:55 AM 2/8/00 -0500, Barry Leiba wrote: >I have to say that this whole thing seems a little excessive, considering >the statement that this is an interim solution anyway: I agree. I don't think it's a good idea to go the yet-another-protocol route unless it moves us closer to where we want to be. My proposal all along has been to use ACAP or a subset. We have prototype implementations of an ACAP profile for Sieve (along with a Sieve engine) running on NT and Unix, and a prototype Windows GUI that manages scripts. By using an ACAP profile, both client and server support becomes pretty easy, and the client can talk to a full ACAP server just as well as a mini, Sieve-only one. So we get rapid deployment and move closer to a real solution (full ACAP servers).
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