RE: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audio/t140 was:[avt]Comments/questions on draft-ietf-avt-rfc2793bis-04
"Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu> Thu, 01 July 2004 15:14 UTC
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From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
To: 'Paul Kyzivat' <pkyzivat@cisco.com>, 'Gunnar Hellstrom' <gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se>
Subject: RE: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audio/t140 was:[avt]Comments/questions on draft-ietf-avt-rfc2793bis-04
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Hi all A sixpack of quick comments. 1 - if you don't have anything else, a phone keypad for text entry and even a 12 character display is wonderful. The alternative is nothing. 2 - if possible, any type or size of keyboard with one key per character is better easier simpler faster. 3 - real time text (rather than messages) is much better for conversations. 4 - even 5 second message delay breaks all of our conversational protocols and expectations and leads to interruptions, misinterpretations of intent etc -- especially if one of the communicators is used to speech. Delays beyond this are another form of communication (messaging) which is not bad it just is not conversation. It is definitely communication, interaction, a lot of things. But it differs from conversation as we know it. 5 - it would be great to have bridges between messaging and conversation technologies to use when conversation technologies are not possible or available for some reason. 6 - messaging is preferred by some and for some situations. It is not inferior - it is just different. It will be better at some tasks and worse at others. Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple
- [Simple] Re: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audio/t1… Cullen Jennings
- [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audio/t1… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [Simple] Re: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Dean Willis
- RE: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Cullen Jennings
- RE: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Dean Willis
- RE: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Cullen Jennings
- [Simple] RE: Betr.: Using MSRP for real time text… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [Simple] RE: Betr.: Using MSRP for real time … Cullen Jennings
- Re: [Simple] RE: Betr.: Using MSRP for real time … Cullen Jennings
- RE: [Simple] RE: Betr.: Using MSRP for real time … Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [Simple] RE: Betr.: Using MSRP for real time … Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Simple] RE: Betr.: Using MSRP for real time … Gunnar Hellstrom
- RE: [Simple] RE: Betr.: Using MSRP for real time … Arnoud van Wijk
- Re: [Simple] RE: Betr.: Using MSRP for real time … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Dean Willis
- RE: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Arnoud van Wijk
- RE: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Gregg Vanderheiden
- RE: [Simple] RE: [Sipping] RE: text/T140 and audi… Arnoud van Wijk