[Sipping] Overload work...lost in the ether?
"Daryl Malas" <D.Malas@cablelabs.com> Mon, 18 August 2008 16:06 UTC
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All, I am a little concerned based on the decisions made in the Sipping WG session in Dublin regarding the overload work. If we take a look back this problem was first brought up in the working group in February 2006 (nearly 2.5 years ago) (draft-rosenberg-sipping-overload-reqs-00). The first draft (draft-hilt-sipping-hopbyhop-overload-00) providing a potential track towards a solution was introduced in June 2006. Then, the working group decided to create a design team to look into the problem and come up with a solid feedback mechanism and prove the mechanism worked by describing potential solutions. This design team has been meeting at least since February 2007. At IETF 70 (Vancouver), the design team reported some significant improvements to the overload problem using some unique algorithms provided by members of the team. Now, fast forward to IETF 72 in Dublin, Volker introduced a new draft (draft-hilt-sipping-overload-design-00) based on the work of the design team. I believe (correct me if I am wrong) the response from the working group and working group chairs was: - The design team should keep working on a "non-working group item" as it is important - Identify a control and feedback mechanism - Do NOT come up with any solutions for the problem - Continue to provide feedback of work to the working group (for how long?) I think we are missing the point related to this draft across the industry. When a problem such as this is introduced into the IETF, it is introduced because the problem *exists* across the industry. The industry essentially is asking for the IETF to *solve* the problem....or, come up with an industry standard "solution" to the problem. This way, whether I am using vendor x, y, or z; all of them will understand and react to overload control in a similar manner to provide the most optimal throughput. (I am not saying enhancements/improvements may not be vendor specific ("Our solution is better than vendor "y's", because it provides...blah."), but at least there is a baseline solution that can be standardized across the industry.) IMO, here is what will occur based on this response (and, is probably already occurring). Vendors and SSPs will come up with there own solutions to the problem. When the IETF finally releases something to the industry, either no one will implement it (already using vendor solutions x, y, and/or z), or it will be completely obsolete because some other solution (e.g. SBC session limiting functionality) has resolved (while maybe non-optimally) the problem. I just wanted to provide some feedback and encourage the Sipping WG and the overload design team to continue working aggressively to provide a mechanism to report overload and a baseline solution to resolve it, or provide a statement describing why the problem does not (or should not) exist. Regards, Daryl ---------------- Daryl Malas CableLabs (o) +1 303 661 3302 (f) +1 303 661 9199 mailto:d.malas@cablelabs.com _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
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