Re: [Sipping] FW: Comments on draft-ietf-sipping-app-interaction-framework-03

Jonathan Rosenberg <jdrosen@cisco.com> Wed, 19 January 2005 07:20 UTC

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Joe,

My apologies for not responding, and thanks for the prod.

My comments are inline.

Joe Zebarth wrote:

> Gonzalo
> 
> The attached message was sent on Dec 1, 2004 and I thought I was 
> entitled to a response.
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> If a response was sent, I apologize for not finding it in my incoming 
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> Please let me know if I did receive a response or when I can anticipate 
> a response.
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> Thanks and Kindest Regards
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> Joe Zebarth
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>  -----Original Message-----
> *From:  * Zebarth, Joe [CAR:1A12:EXCH] 
> *Sent:  * Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:29 PM
> *To:    * 'sipping@ietf.org'
> *Subject:       * Comments on 
> draft-ietf-sipping-app-interaction-framework-03
> 
> Colleagues
> 
> The following are a few comments that I have with respect to 
> draft-ietf-sipping-app-interaction-framework-03.
> 
> Would it be worth noting in the abstract and/or the introduction that 
> this document is providing IANA registration for a new "SIP Option Tag" 
> and a new "Header Field Parameter"?

I think thats reasonable. I changed the first sentence of the abstract 
to read:

             <t> This document describes a framework for the
             interaction between users and Session Initiation Protocol
             (SIP) based applications, and defines a new Refer-To
             header field parameter and option tag in support of that
             framework. By interacting with applications, users can


and the following as the last paragraph of the introduction:

<t>This document also defines a
new SIP Refer-To header field parameter and a new SIP option tag
indicating support for that parameter.
</t>



> 
> Is there an inconsistency between Figure 1 which shows the "user 
> interface" on the network side of the user device and the definition 
> "Focusless User Interface: A user interface which has no ability to 
> perform focus determination.  An example of a focusless user interface 
> is a keypad on a telephone."  So if the definition is correct should 
> Figure 1 show a "user interface" on the user side of the "user device".  
> If so, should we consider a new term that is less confusing for the 
> functionality currently labeled as "user interface" in Figure 1?

I think the problem lies with the definition. I think the name really 
needs to change to a focusless device; this is a device that cannot 
direct user input to a particular user interface. Indeed, the document 
(in one place) uses the term focusless device. I change the definition 
and update it throughout the doc (its only used three or four times).


> 
> In the definition for "Barge-In", possibly the last sentence should come 
> to the front.  Minor rewording would be required if this is done.

Reworded to:

<t hangText="Barge-In:"> The act of entering information into an IVR
user inteface prior to the completion of a prompt requesting that
information.
</t>



> 
> On page 18 the words "the markup waits".  I observe that the term 
> "markup" is not in the definitions section, should it be added or is 
> there a better term for this functionality?

"markup" and "markup language" are used throughout the document, 
including the abstract. Though I think it is well understood, a 
definition couldn't hurt. There actually is one in the body of the 
document, which I copied into the definitions section:

<t hangText="Markup Language:"> A markup
language describes a logical flow of presentation of information to
the user, collection of information from the user, and transmission of
that information to an application.</t>

Thanks,
Jonathan R.
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