Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-siprec-metadata-20: (with COMMENT)
Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> Mon, 14 March 2016 22:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-siprec-metadata-20: (with COMMENT)
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The below seems good to me. Thanks, Paul On 3/14/16 3:16 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > On 9 Mar 2016, at 23:20, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > >> Some implementations may have the SRC choose parts of metadata that >> can be >>> sent to the SRS. >>> In other cases, SRCs may send metadata that is not appropriate for >>> the SRS >>> to record. Which >>> metadata is actually recorded by the SRS must be carefully >>> considered to >>> balance privacy >>> concerns with usability. Implementations MUST control what metadata is >>> recorded, and MUST NOT >>> save metadata sent by the SRC that does not conform to the recording >>> policy of the SRS. >>> Metadata in storage needs to be provided with a level of security >>> that is >>> comparable to that >>> of the recording session. >> >> >> How about: >> >> An SRC MAY, by policy, choose to limit the parts of the metadata sent to >> the SRS for recording. And the SRS MAY not need all the metadata it >> receives or choose, by policy, to limit the metadata it records. >> Metadata in storage needs to be provided with a level of security that >> is comparable to that of the recording session. > > > I think that helps, but might need a couple of tweaks: > > - The 2nd MAY seems more a statement of fact. > > - I think the concept that the SRS MUST NOT record unneeded metatdata > came from the discussion with Stephen, so I am hesitant to suggest > removing the 2119 language. How about something like: > > "An SRC MAY, by policy, choose to limit the parts of the metadata sent > to the SRS for recording. And the policy of the SRS might not require > all the metadata it receives. For the sake of data minimization, the SRS > MUST not record additional metadata that is not explicitly required by > local policy. Metadata in storage needs to be provided with a level of > security that is comparable to that of the recording session." > > (But on the other hand, if Stephen has already agreed to the previous > language, then I would hesitate to change it more than necessary.) > > Ben. >
- [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-iet… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ben Campbell
- Re: [siprec] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft… Ram Mohan R (rmohanr)