Re: [lamps] S/MIME fix

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Wed, 16 May 2018 20:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [lamps] S/MIME fix
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Absolutely, it is not either/or.

What I would like to see us do however is come together at some point and
identify ALL the issues that are barriers to ubiquitous deployment of
S/MIME and come up with a comprehensive scheme.

What I think we are going to need is a standard that allows folk to know if
their infrastructure supports S/MIME-NG.


On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:59 PM, Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
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> It’s not necessarily an either / or thing.  After July 3, we’ll have a
> S/MIME group at CABF and from talking privately to some people it sounds
> like we will have good participation.  But that will mostly be a policy
> discussion.
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> It would be nice to have IETF RFCs to point to for all the persnickety
> technical details about how things like ACME and CAA work with email.  I’m
> sure there’s plenty of nuances we haven’t thought of yet.  There certainly
> were for the web.
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> Draining the email swamp is actually very high on my priority list for
> this year.
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> -Tim
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> I am not necessarily thinking of this as a LAMPS thing because we also
> need to get CAs, probably CABForum involved and maybe the OpenPGP folk.
>