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Re: [lamps] DRAFT LAMPS Recharter Text

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 07 August 2017 21:58 UTC

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From: Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 00:58:53 +0300
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Subject: Re: [lamps] DRAFT LAMPS Recharter Text
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> On 8 Aug 2017, at 0:04, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
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>> This does not have anything to do with the charter.
> 
> Hence the initial smiley.
> 
>> The previous AD felt that changing the name of the mail list was not important.  I do not know what the new AD thinks.
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> If we changed the name because of sensitivity issues then we should change the mailing list name because, in the IETF, WG's die but mailing lists never do.  And if there were other reasons, having the WG name and email name different is jarring.

Perhaps, but changing the group name is just a little administrative work. Changing the mailing list is disruptive. What happens if a message is sent tot spasm@?  If it gets delivered, we haven’t really changed the name, just created an alias. If it causes a reject, it causes a disruption (and not the good kind) to all participants.

On the bright side only a few mailing lists are really forever. Years from now, when lamps and curdle have closed, nobody is going to use these lists. They will still use pkix@ietf.org <mailto:pkix@ietf.org>, but not these two.  It’s the same way that if anyone wants to talk about web security at the IETF, they’re going to SAAG, not websec@ and not httpauth@.  I should know. These lists have been dead since the respective working groups have closed.

Yoav

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