[lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slhdsa-04.txt
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From: Tomas Gustavsson <Tomas.Gustavsson@keyfactor.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, Sun Shuzhou <sunshuzhou=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Subject: [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slhdsa-04.txt
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I would think that millions of large organisations have some such designs, which have worked well and has never been considered bad design until now. Using partitioned CRLs having hundreds of thousands of CRLs with 200 entries on each I would not consider a better design. I would simply recommend to stay clear of SLH-DSA for those use cases. Arguing the classic principle of using the right tool for each job. I do know of practical cases where operational learnings from using one huge CRL have influenced the choice to move to partitioned CRLs, but it would still not fit into the envelope of SLH-DSA. Then OCSP remains, and I also know of use cases that only use OCSP to not have to issue CRLs, but I don’t think I would recommend SLH-DSA either for large scale, high speed, OCSP. ________________________________ From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2025 1:10:48 PM To: Sun Shuzhou <sunshuzhou=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> Cc: spasm@ietf.org <spasm@ietf.org> Subject: [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slhdsa-04.txt Sun Shuzhou <sunshuzhou=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > We build and run a private PKI internally. In many scenarios, a large > CRL is used, it is indeed painful, but it is the only solution (due to > historical poor design or other limitations/considerations). I'm curious about if there are any recorded lessons learned about the poor design. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- *I*LIKE*TRAINS*
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Daniel Van Geest
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Falko Strenzke
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… David A. Cooper
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Falko Strenzke
- [lamps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slhdsa-… internet-drafts
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Falko Strenzke
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Jean-Pierre Fiset
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Peter C
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Peter C
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Jean-Pierre Fiset
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Jean-Pierre Fiset
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Samuel Lee (ENS/Crypto)
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… John Gray
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Kampanakis, Panos
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Sun Shuzhou
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Samuel Lee (ENS/Crypto)
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Sophie Schmieg
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Viktor Dukhovni
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Wei-Jun Wang
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… John Gray
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Kampanakis, Panos
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Kampanakis, Panos
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… David Hook
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Daniel Van Geest
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Russ Housley
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Jean-Pierre Fiset
- [lamps] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-x509-slh… Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Samuel Lee (ENS/Crypto)
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Michael Richardson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Tomas Gustavsson
- [lamps] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf… Jean-Pierre Fiset