Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-im-keyusage-00.txt

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Rohan Mahy <rohan.mahy@gmail.com>
CC: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek=40digicert.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>, "spasm@ietf.org" <spasm@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-im-keyusage-00.txt
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Subject: Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lamps-im-keyusage-00.txt
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Oops.  Yes, of course.  Sorry for the noise.