Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming: Relative advantages of SRv6

"Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" <pcamaril@cisco.com> Fri, 10 January 2020 17:04 UTC

Return-Path: <pcamaril@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C6A120A52 for <spring@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:04:05 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -14.519
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=Z5cNg/X6; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=XJEOmpfx
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id krQYJG0vTE4J for <spring@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:04:02 -0800 (PST)
Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 367D5120A05 for <spring@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:04:02 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=19363; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1578675842; x=1579885442; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=Z3QdytP5id637CwAVk12KhkPCfQPnx7EvYthpsZVbJ8=; b=Z5cNg/X6c0cYjCpQmLvKiHd/GC4MEGh920zxhsbBqun+ZaQ2wfJzQwwH As8Ciay+iy8Ob5H6NV33Q8iIqS1oGIAfa6IYbRYoKzuKaPgjGMMkVCX9J 1w3We8ItVUR84oIvwYJc7J2IKtKIs2324qf1AOhXkNE37rGim+FUYjzvV 4=;
IronPort-PHdr: 9a23:mCRFyBX41cHe5sex02JkiZpedmfV8LGuZFwc94YnhrRSc6+q45XlOgnF6O5wiEPSA9yJ8OpK3uzRta2oGXcN55qMqjgjSNRNTFdE7KdehAk8GIiAAEz/IuTtankiF81HXUVk+1mwMFNeH4D1YFiB6nA=
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CsAAAmrRhe/4kNJK1lHAEBAQEBBwEBEQEEBAEBgWkFAQELAYEkL1AFbA5KIAQLKgqDf4NGA4sDgl+TK4RigS4UgRADVAkBAQEMAQElCAIBAYRAAheBWyQ2Bw4CAw0BAQQBAQECAQUEbYU3DIVeAQEBAQMSER0BATcBDwIBCA4DAwEBASgDAgICMBQJCAIEDgUigwQBgX1NAy4BAwsDoQ8CgTiIYXWBMoJ+AQEFgS8BgRSCWxiCDAMGgTYBjBgagUE/gREnIIJMPoJkAgKBLgESAQc4DQmCWjKCLJBLhVeJbI8tCoI3hzuOchuCR4gBjEeDW5c0khoCBAIEBQIOAQEFgVkKKGdxcBVlAYJBUBgNkk8MFxWDO4UUhT90AYEnjVaBIgGBDwEB
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.69,417,1571702400"; d="scan'208,217";a="685605147"
Received: from alln-core-4.cisco.com ([173.36.13.137]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 10 Jan 2020 17:03:59 +0000
Received: from XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com (xch-rcd-003.cisco.com [173.37.102.13]) by alln-core-4.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00AH3xoo005678 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:03:59 GMT
Received: from xhs-rcd-003.cisco.com (173.37.227.248) by XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com (173.37.102.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 11:03:59 -0600
Received: from xhs-rcd-002.cisco.com (173.37.227.247) by xhs-rcd-003.cisco.com (173.37.227.248) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 11:03:57 -0600
Received: from NAM10-MW2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (72.163.14.9) by xhs-rcd-002.cisco.com (173.37.227.247) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 11:03:57 -0600
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=at1NhEhyulmh2Y+wH+pdQRGQC9BkG2wLyvSXTdT+ycjvDvERW4b5cd+wQFaXQmalKAJfpCNgbolc4p3R6ZSx7yjeVQ+wTn+w/GZIIrPKIlvHOuSfYPY6SMuPK46Ys5ZuNcou5pwdK3p3P95HpdxkEj9zzkw9KDPbU9O249ukIZWx50v+P6mypylnQ3dCV+SrTEKvIfStWygOUHVclDRv72FaCQSnpontmniugbeJ/AQuaCGnHQPK2vtTA7nAQ0KngCEjtgUqOOvPnHiR/Li4V33B1Sv3tlrPKyTH5/A2l+7DvBhT4sU9yfbSXwhwONooFVoyUHxO5eW1PzdbbkImVA==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=Z3QdytP5id637CwAVk12KhkPCfQPnx7EvYthpsZVbJ8=; b=LPHyIlke5UCLmklrp/73I3m4wBHoTKP905HfElyh0w4uS+cA3mY4LZeCverHclYlRwmhMArwkXlp0K/rWZaYMjxILlQdhqN+f+2DMFp8D/ELflMmUmkhvv4f7HEJyxGFmK1Fuazkgrzfc1HeGyeReW26d9Z9cORpMvM0FigWxlhb+hdnauw/ZkSmfCstwhVvOE/DGToD4Px9WA5hw6FM62q+0Efq54hmriHBa2aTFR9k8EH57xiGGxT5AcFvQocpAjMbnxqy3S/n5whGxiMDnt3UcnG/bN6EFwRHNtkRktE2qY34wwzB0MaJJ/zSGPLCFvcLKbIgYxubqcFspnoAww==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cisco.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=cisco.com; dkim=pass header.d=cisco.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-cisco-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=Z3QdytP5id637CwAVk12KhkPCfQPnx7EvYthpsZVbJ8=; b=XJEOmpfxheCPMXhWCGPljgy3LrhXjKf+1BcE42CbeCB//LWSiBsDSPWOBYAHVYxhStT74/1sCidsEDrpIKpiwNR4UGx5lEjHXbspFfWoYLxFmE5Oq836RF0wBQbUW6AKfEhywi3vnk9WVribK1JD8hTDrw+z6pozvtKmAKf4EaY=
Received: from MWHPR11MB1374.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.169.234.8) by MWHPR11MB1838.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.175.52.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2623.10; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:03:55 +0000
Received: from MWHPR11MB1374.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b04b:c9bb:2378:7a8d]) by MWHPR11MB1374.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b04b:c9bb:2378:7a8d%11]) with mapi id 15.20.2602.018; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:03:55 +0000
From: "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" <pcamaril@cisco.com>
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
CC: "spring@ietf.org" <spring@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming: Relative advantages of SRv6
Thread-Index: AQHVxTtBCnUJ5T9wFUOlTR4tmYQzLKffgKoggASzHYA=
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 16:55:22 +0000
Message-ID: <C5679D89-B4BC-4C97-B733-52BE87B8AC27@cisco.com>
References: <048C0650-83A6-4584-90B3-46DCC37B4E57@cisco.com> <BN7PR05MB393848102282E3746D705407AE3F0@BN7PR05MB3938.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: <BN7PR05MB393848102282E3746D705407AE3F0@BN7PR05MB3938.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-GB
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.20.0.191208
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=pcamaril@cisco.com;
x-originating-ip: [88.27.176.181]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 2420b734-a72b-4864-7bac-08d795ef13d9
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MWHPR11MB1838:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <MWHPR11MB183867B4DB115DF077BB99AFC9380@MWHPR11MB1838.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8882;
x-forefront-prvs: 02788FF38E
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(396003)(39860400002)(366004)(346002)(136003)(376002)(189003)(199004)(2906002)(2616005)(186003)(26005)(6512007)(53546011)(71200400001)(6506007)(91956017)(64756008)(33656002)(66446008)(86362001)(6486002)(6916009)(6666004)(76116006)(66556008)(66946007)(66476007)(5660300002)(36756003)(81166006)(966005)(316002)(4326008)(8676002)(81156014)(8936002)(478600001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:MWHPR11MB1838; H:MWHPR11MB1374.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: cisco.com does not designate permitted sender hosts)
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 4vsPp+QQpqjcSsU76bUmV9nYTCPbnx7qx7aMLfljqmrkoIYZoTKDNaJOH/fftUw2Zp2noZVbJg88QUanORSAPoUmkTUhKgB3YeuGUyWb/kXcCptK0yLhKGdo03l4QymgCc+C87vpqYdttf7ArmqS6E5mEGcaO4jrvxxuIfyEVwCDZuZscVeLsLTKzMWcuENosDr+fdovqFuBTYP5IIJW8UHCFeNFvz7EhlW2zp0D3up5oCsmN26W7M42w2CPeQiIbkOfiZpJkpP+GcUb6qGW/gpu3vL6GueJg1wKXy6bnrNBwtRHBm6cjt0adXQam4bd8aRTBPNQ8tJTfa+cAerGpn0yQd9lmuj1YE9//mC/vqk5bGbAjmWjPrLwy3jaSvACZXIDfBYC2FTQ8eguUbzHRGaYnwdlmVCCi8WPH9M8zBbFPKuGrSk3aPKpL+ElsCillMGJioPodGB9SuUQwa/2YBsAB9HA2h8kvsK0fZl18MY=
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C5679D89B4BC4C97B73352BE87B8AC27ciscocom_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 2420b734-a72b-4864-7bac-08d795ef13d9
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 10 Jan 2020 17:03:55.7387 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: tJPsIDY99ugLEmafuCjUXA9Q7z5DFZYuqcc5TrbOexSAcBGtO4p5YMldhMXUkxkjNa7wT7CFSzBcWD6j5d9ZsQ==
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR11MB1838
X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com
X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.13, xch-rcd-003.cisco.com
X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-4.cisco.com
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/I7YhvQ7m7jUBd8twTaIawQQ_Ldk>
Subject: Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming: Relative advantages of SRv6
X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" <spring.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/spring>, <mailto:spring-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/spring/>
List-Post: <mailto:spring@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:spring-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring>, <mailto:spring-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:04:09 -0000

Ron,

If you want to discuss your analysis please let’s do so in a separate email thread out of the context of the Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming.

As I said before: draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming is a Standards Track document and this topic is not about any standardization, hence out of scope of this document.

Same applies to other content (e.g. illustrations) that was formerly in network programming and we moved to a separate draft since it was not standardizing anything at all and was merely informative.

Thanks,
Pablo.

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, 7 January 2020 at 19:17
To: "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" <pcamaril@cisco.com>
Cc: SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming: Relative advantages of SRv6

Pablo,

RFC 8354 reinforces my analysis in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/3WGuQumIfcmH281nwq3s9Un6raI. Are you saying that you agree with this analysis?

                                             Ron






Juniper Business Use Only
From: Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) <pcamaril@cisco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 4:17 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Cc: SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming: Relative advantages of SRv6

Ron,

SPRING has already done this work and documented the SRv6 use-cases in RFC8354 before progressing with the SRv6 standardization.

Further on, draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming is a Standards Track document.
I fail to see how a cite from RFC8354 or any other text on “SRv6 vs SR-MPLS” standardises anything at all.
Note that we have already removed text from draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming (e.g. illustrations) because it was not standardising anything.

Thank you for the suggestion,
Pablo.

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Date: Monday, 30 December 2019 at 11:08
To: SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>>
Subject: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming: Relative advantages of SRv6

Pablo,

Would you consider adding a short section to the draft explaining the relative advantages of SRv6 over SR-MPLS? This section would explain why an network operator would deploy SRv6 instead of SR-MPLS.

                                                                                         Ron



Juniper Business Use Only

Please excuse any typos, sent from my 'smart'phone.