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Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com> Fri, 20 May 2016 01:26 UTC

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Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 18:26:24 -0700
From: Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com>
To: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>
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On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 06:08:35PM -0700, Joe Touch wrote:
> > - Ideally, you would just design optimized new transports that use
> >   UDP as demux layer. Think about it. 
> 
> That's why I said you were reinventing the Internet at the UDP layer. 
> If you expect the end game is that we keep UDP as an additional demuxing
> layer, I think this is not just a bad idea, it's a VERY bad idea.

Why ?

> > - IMHO there are only minute benefits of in-kernel transport protocol. I'd be happy
> >   to have them die out. OS vendors can happily implement TCP wih UDP ports as
> >   a library. 
> 
> Some do. I recall that there were ways to update old versions of Windows
> with new transport stacks (Trumpet, I think?).

Sure, but i want to have a network architecture whose API standards allow all OSs to do this.
The solutions you're talking about have OS specific APIs. ANd i want UDP as the cross-OS
demux layer.

Cheers
    Toerless


> > That immediately makes it part of my docker container and gives
> >   me predictable behavior when i distribute my container.
> > - No deeper look with DPI needed.
> 
> I agree. So go fix that, IMO, and leave the Internet alone.
> 
> Joe

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