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Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-herbert-transports-over-udp-00.txt

"Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE)" <michael.scharf@nokia.com> Mon, 23 May 2016 14:56 UTC

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From: "Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE)" <michael.scharf@nokia.com>
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Subject: Re: [Spud] New Version Notification for draft-herbert-transports-over-udp-00.txt
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> > ·         Finally, from the current charter I don’t understand whether PLUS/SPUD would consider the requirements of middleboxes designed to provide user anonymity (e.g., TOR-like). I’d personally be fine with flagging their specific requirements as out-of-scope. But for sure there is a user community of that sort of infrastructure and it may make sense to discuss early how to deal with that.

> I *think* this is orthogonal -- I can't see what in PLUS would break TOR, or how stuff in PLUS could make TOR work better, without partially redesigning both... can you say more about what your concerns are here?

I don't think it is orthogonal, but I could imagine some quite contradicting design objectives on the required signaling e.g. between end system and TOR proxies. But I am not a TOR expert.

Why don't e.g. the BoF chairs reach out to the TOR community to get feedback and to ensure openness in the IETF process regarding all possibly affected users in the Internet?

For instance, if there is no feedback from the a certain community, it would be easy to argue that something can be excluded in the charter.

Michael

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