Re: [Spud] No. Operators don't need SPUD for mobile network management

Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Thu, 21 July 2016 15:38 UTC

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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Frode Kileng <frodek@tele.no>
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Subject: Re: [Spud] No. Operators don't need SPUD for mobile network management
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2016, Frode Kileng wrote:

> Yes. And if needed, any return traffic can be used as an indicator that 
> something is consenting to this traffic.

I don't understand this comment. You're getting SYN+ACK backscatter, if 
you forward them you'll melt the mobile network. The only way to discern 
if the user consents to the traffic, is to forward them.

How can this possibly work?

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se