Re: [Stackevo] IP Stack Evolution Program Review

["Black, David" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Natasha,

Two quick updates:

- Line 2: Mobile Throughput Guidance.  This was brought to TSVWG as individual drafts, in Dallas, and got a mixed reception.
                The end-to-end aspects (e.g., impact beyond the mobile radio network) were a weak area.   As a TSVWG WG
chair, I haven’t heard about this since Dallas.

- Line 5: The conex WG has been closed.   For now, I suggest taking general congestion control topics to tsvwg (wondering
                what I’m wishing for as a tsvwg chair ...)

Unfortunately, I will not be in Buenos Aires, and I have obligations that week which are likely to make remote
participation difficult.

Thanks, --David

From: Stackevo [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Natasha Rooney
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 10:51 AM
To: Brian Trammell; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Stackevo] IP Stack Evolution Program Review

Hey guys!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pTlTQ2Po3ltiGhMI7pM-NRuTiUsNEPECPqeJl4H-e1o/edit?usp=sharing<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pTlTQ2Po3ltiGhMI7pM-NRuTiUsNEPECPqeJl4H-e1o/edit#gid=0>

Here is the table I promised which details the solutions / items we discussed at MaRNEW and their progress since then. I am not sure all of them are necessary / relevant, but I went for a complete list over anything else. I undoubtably got some things wrong, so please let me know if so. Alternatively let me know if you want access to edit (and the necessary credentials!). Comments are open also.

Thanks everyone!

Natasha


Natasha Rooney | Technologist, Web and Internet, W3C & IETF | GSMA | [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> | [phone] | @thisNatasha | Skype: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>

On Feb 16, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Brian Trammell <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

Hi, Natasha, all


On 16 Feb 2016, at 09:16, Natasha Rooney <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

Hey Brian!

I had an awesome chat with Spencer the other day about the outputs from MaRNEW and their status. We know of some things which are actively happening (LURK from the Keyless SSL idea, Zero bit / 1 bit for latency / bandwidth as an idea which came from MaRNEW and will be discussed at ACCORD, etc.) but there are a number of items which either aren’t going anywhere or are not being tracked.

As a result I’m going to make a super helpful (and hopefully not super complicated) table showing all the items suggested at MaRNEW, their status, where they belong (IETF / GSMA and which WG) and some notes. I’ll try to not to make it two colourful (maybe just half a my-little-pony).

I want to get this done in the week after next (more commonly known as the week after MWC), but this doesn’t work so well with your timeline, so I’ll try and get something to you quicker then, and you can choose whether to use it or not!

Ooh, this'd be great to have! I'm not sure how much detail we'll go into on MaRNEW during the review though, so don't go to heroic efforts to get it done before 2.3.

FYI: attached is the first draft of slides I'm planning to show. (The voiceover for the captionless Gemini launch is "I prefer to think of us as a highly efficient launchpad for new work, as opposed to a rusty pickup truck that bits of work fall off of", in reference to the fact that most of what we do is "oooh let's have a workshop!").

Feedback welcome -- let me know if there's anything I'm missing here (at this level of detail).

Cheers,

Brian


<program-review-mar16.pdf>



Thanks!

Natasha


Natasha Rooney | Technologist, Web and Internet, W3C & IETF | GSMA | [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> | [phone] | @thisNatasha | Skype: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>



On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Brian Trammell <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

Greetings, all,

The IAB is now reviewing all its programs once per meeting cycle, to allow the whole Board to have visibility into the working of the programs, to compare notes across programs, to review the membership of the Programs to see if the right people are involved, and to see what works (and what doesn't) in order to help things run more smoothly.

The IAB will review the IP Stack Evolution program at its telechat on Wednesday 2 March 2016, and I'm preparing my presentation for this review now. Here's what I think I'm going to say:


(1) We've done a lot since we were "rebooted" following the May 2014 IAB retreat in Cancun, but much of this happens through the initial coordination of smaller groups of individual Program members, as opposed to official actions of the Program. Much of this involves workshop / BarBoF / BOF organization:

- SEMI workshop in Zurich in January 2015, which led to:
- SPUD non-WG BoF in Dallas in March 2015
- HOPS BarBoF in Dallas in March 2015, and the HOPSRG/MAPRG proposed RG afterward
- MaRNEW workshop in Atlanta in September 2015

- IOTSI workshop in San Jose in March 2016

- SEMI workshop proposed to SIGCOMM 2016; proposal rejected.
- ACCORD non-WG BoF proposed for Buenos Aires in April 2016

Indeed, I'm not sure we've had a conversation on the list that didn't lead to some of us going off and proposing a workshop of BoF somewhere. IOTSI came out of discussions about polishing up Point 5 on our program description, which *still* reads, in part: "[Erik and Ralph to provide text to flesh this out]".

(2) We have sent no correspondence, and no statements up to the IAB for approval, though we've discussed the possibility of doing so. Discussion on proposed communication on traffic characterization, still pending, led to another BoF proposal (ACCORD).

(3) We have no official program documents, and no current plans for any. There is one document for consideration as a "program work item", draft-trammell-stackevo-explicit-coop, but it's not clear where the boundary between "architecture" and "engineering" is here.

(4) We have no regular program meetings outside IETF meetings. It's not clear whether we should.

(5) The membership is largely active in areas of interest to the program.


First, I'd like to ask the program whether there's anything I'm missing here that should be included in the review.

Second, I'd like to ask the membership if there's anything less (or more) we should be doing: what would you like to see out of the program as members?

Thanks, cheers,

Brian
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