Re: [tcpm] exegesis of 'Updates' -- was: ... reviewof draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]

Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Wed, 01 October 2008 00:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tcpm] exegesis of 'Updates' -- was: ... reviewof draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]
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Anantha Ramaiah (ananth) wrote:
> <snip>
...
> RFC 1122 standardized the TCP congestion control algorithms and not RFC 793.
> So if it all 2581 has to update something it had to be 1122 not 793."
> 
> Anyways, this is my line of thinking and I haven't heard any convincing arguments so far. 

So why do you believe that 2581 updates 1122 and not 793? Or that 1122
wouldn't thus also update 793? Changes to the congestion control
algorithm are equivalent to the changes you propose - they change
behavior (reaction to certain events), but not the fundamental state
machine.

Joe
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