Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.txt
Peter Warren <pwarren@gte.com> Fri, 19 June 1998 14:22 UTC
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:22:40 -0400
To: Jacob Heitz <jheitz@ascend.com>
From: Peter Warren <pwarren@gte.com>
Subject: Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.txt
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>Peter Warren wrote: ... >> SUMMARY: >> There is a pathological interaction among the ACK delays, the multi-part >> structure of Web pages, and a highly asymmetric link, as follows: >> * Each object in a multipart Web page may fit into an odd number of packets >> with about .5 probability. If odd, the last packet of that object causes >> the receiver to set its ACK timer and wait for next packet which won't >> arrive. Timer must time out before ACK is sent. [Jacob Heitz wrote:] >The final packet should include the FIN, which should get ACKed >without delay. I should have mentioned that these connections were persistent ones; there is no FIN at the end of each Web object transfer. Note that both major browsers since at least v. 3.0, and all recent major Web servers, support and use the Keep-alive persistent connection feature introduced by Netscape. This is not new with HTTP 1.1: they have modified it somewhat for 1.1, but persistent connections are the most common type around today. >> * The multi-part page requires significantly more upstream traffic than a >> bulk transfer (due to GET requests for each object), rapidly filling the >> modem's return channel queue and thus increasing delay further. > >Try decreasing the tcp window size. 4k should be enough. This might reduce the delayed ACK -> RTO exceeded problem I described, but is somewhat roundabout, and requires more user tweaking than we should expect. It requires the user to: (1) know what the asymmetry of his link is; (2) know that his performance problem is due to the effect I described, rather than being due to a *too small* advertized TCP window, which is more often the case (on less asymmetric links); and (3) know how, and how much, to tweak his advertized window. >Also your MSS should be LESS THAN 1460. Between 512 and 1300 should do. >Only when you know for sure that your performance won't suffer, should >you increase those numbers. Why would reducing the MSS improve the situation? In highly asymmetric links, we want to *maximize* the downstream data transfer, not reduce it, since it is the *return* channel that is the bottleneck in this case. (Incidentally, by "highly asymmetric" I mean where the forward:reverse bandwidth asymmetry exceeds the data asymmetry, i.e., ratio of forward bits to reverse bits. For example, with MSS=1460, ACKing every 2 packets: bulk FTP traffic is commonly about 40:1, whereas HTTP traffic overall averages about 10:1 (from my measurements of large traffic traces, and from others' studies). In my example ADSL link, 1.5Mbps/64Kbps, the bandwidth ratio is over 23:1, which exceeds the bit ratio of my test Web page, which is actually 8.5:1.) Reducing the MSS below 1460 will reduce the bit ratio of this data even further, thus increasing the asymmetry mismatch between data and link. = Peter Peter G. Warren Performance Analysis Group Advanced Systems Laboratory GTE Laboratories 40 Sylvan Rd., Waltham, MA 02254 (617) 466-4142
- comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.txt Vern Paxson
- RE: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Daniel R. Glover
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Mark Allman
- RE: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Falk, Aaron
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Eric Travis
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Ian McEachern
- RE: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Eric Travis
- RE: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Eric Travis
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Peter Warren
- RE: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Spencer Dawkins
- RE: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Eric Travis
- RE: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Jacob Heitz
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Peter Warren
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Vern Paxson
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Vern Paxson
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Mark Allman
- Re: comments on draft-ietf-tcpsat-stand-mech-04.t… Vern Paxson