Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3?
Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard <mpg@polarssl.org> Mon, 20 October 2014 18:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3?
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On 20/10/2014 19:06, Dan Harkins wrote: > Merely making the pool from which the PSK is drawn, for instance > by making it a bigger or including mixed case PS: the above reference to "mixed case" makes me think there is a serious misunderstanding about how keys should be generated. They should be the output of a properly seeded cryptographically secure DRBG. The very notion of "mixed case" does not make any sense in this context. If such misinterpretations can be made, then indeed the RFC should be revised to be much more explicit about the meaning of pre-shared *key* (as opposed to password). Manuel.
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Yoav Nir
- [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Hauke Mehrtens
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Hauke Mehrtens
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Jeffrey Walton
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Paul Bakker
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Mohamad Badra
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Sven Schäge
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? John Mattsson
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Alex Elsayed
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Stephen Checkoway
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Stephen Checkoway
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Stephen Checkoway
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Watson Ladd