Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3?
Mohamad Badra <mbadra@gmail.com> Mon, 20 October 2014 20:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3?
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> > > The justification for these ciphersuites is some constrained device that > has a small data and code size. But if you can not only generate 128-bit > long uniformly random keys from a good source of entropy and also > securely provision them on 2 (or more) devices then you don't need TLS. > Just do static keyed symmetric crypto and you save even more data > and code by eliminating TLS! > > In practice, these things are deployed by people who probably do not > read the RFC in question, are in a hurry, and don't understand the > security implications of their use of TLS. The PSKs that get provisioned > are the ones that are easy to enter with a low probability of error-- i.e. > something considerably less than uniformly random 128-bit key > generated from a good source of entropy. > > This is not (only) a theoretical issue. It's practical reality. > > Any link to sources that support this practical reality? Or it is a theoretical statement? Best regards Badra
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- [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Hauke Mehrtens
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Hauke Mehrtens
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Jeffrey Walton
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Paul Bakker
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Mohamad Badra
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Sven Schäge
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Christian Kahlo
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? John Mattsson
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Alex Elsayed
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Stephen Checkoway
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Stephen Checkoway
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Stephen Checkoway
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] PSK in 1.3? Watson Ladd