Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA key Transport from TLS 1.3
Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@redhat.com> Tue, 06 May 2014 16:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA key Transport from TLS 1.3
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On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 15:25 +0000, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > I believe that this draft addresses the existing concerns with the DH > > ciphersuites I'm aware of, and would be very good if the TLS WG would > > adopt it. > Other collections of DHE groups work in a subgroup of order "q", > where log(q) ~ 2^{security factor}. This speeds up the arithmetic. > (Squares can be reduced modulo the much smaller q). I think the speed up in that case is because the exponent x is selected to be in the range (1,q-1). The modular reduction is again mod p. > Is there a > reason to avoid those? Problems with constant-time implementation? > Other concerns? This is another valid approach. Note however, that in the groups described in the draft there is a suggested key size which speeds the calculations similarly. regards, Nikos
- [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA key Tr… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- [TLS] On axing DHE (was: Re: Confirming Consensus… Rene Struik
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Trevor Perrin
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Santosh Chokhani
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Hanno Böck
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Jack Lloyd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Paul Bakker
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Hanno Böck
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Johannes Merkle
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Paul Bakker
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Andy Lutomirski
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision [was: … Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision [w… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision Henrick Hellström
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision [w… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision Samuel Neves
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision Samuel Neves
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision Liz meeks
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision [w… Fedor Brunner
- Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision [w… Fedor Brunner
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on removing RSA ke… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos