Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision [was: Re: Confirming Consensus on removing RSA key Transport from TLS 1.3]

Michael D'Errico <mike-list@pobox.com> Tue, 08 April 2014 16:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Negotiated Discrete Log DHE revision [was: Re: Confirming Consensus on removing RSA key Transport from TLS 1.3]
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There is already a list of DH groups managed by the IANA for IKE that was
established by RFC 2409 and includes the MODP groups from RFC 3526 plus
others.  Why not just use this existing registry and add your new e-based
groups to it?

Mike



Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Fri 2014-03-28 21:33:39 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> wrote:
>> I've submitted an initial stab at a proposal for negotiated discrete log
>> diffie-hellman ciphersuites:
>>
>>  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gillmor-tls-negotiated-dl-dhe-00
> 
> Thanks to feedback from Watson Ladd and Samuel Neves over on the CFRG,
> i've updated the named groups in the above draft.
> 
> I've also done another pass over the text:
> 
>   https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gillmor-tls-negotiated-dl-dhe-01
> 
> Comments, questions and critiques welcome.
> 
>     --dkg