Re: [TLS] PR#28: Converting cTLS to QUIC-style varints

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Sun, 15 November 2020 20:34 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Nick Harper <nharper@google.com>
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Thread-Topic: [TLS] PR#28: Converting cTLS to QUIC-style varints
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Subject: Re: [TLS] PR#28: Converting cTLS to QUIC-style varints
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I think I was one of the folks advocating for QUIC style, and


  *   Given the above, I think my preference would be (1) or (2), with, I think, a slight preference for (2).

I’m fine with this.